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26 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:20 pm

Joanimaroni wrote:
RealLindaL wrote:Maybe no one in the church wanted to worship their god carrying an instrument of death.

An instrument of death.....catchy.  

Let's not try to fool anyone -- that's EXACTLY what a semi-automatic weapon is all about.

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27 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:21 pm

Floridatexan wrote:
Joanimaroni wrote:
PkrBum wrote:I heard that he was imprisoned for domestic violence. So it's unlikely that he legally possessed a gun.


Domestic violence and a dishonorabky discharged unstable liberal. He sought out the church of his in laws. Thankfully, he was chased by legal gun owners.

The facts in this story will certainly be "cherry-picked" by the media to fit the liberal agenda.


Please provide any credible evidence that this shooter was a liberal.  You're blowing smoke.  He was not dishonorably discharged; if he had been, he wouldn't have been able to purchase a firearm.  The legal gun owner who chased him was a neighbor who happened to overhear the shooting.  He was too late.  Why don't you do some reading before "cherry-picking" your "facts".


Is that what you want to believe?

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28 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:28 pm

PkrBum wrote:

The vast majority of gun violence takes place at the hands of a felon legally forbidden to have a gun.

Likely the case in this instance too.

Get the facts straight. The man was not a convicted felon. The weapon was obtained legally. He apparently lied on his application, but there should've been some cross-checking between the civilian and military systems in the background check that would've shown a propensity to violence. Not sure why that didn't happen - maybe because his was a "general", not a dishonorable, discharge.

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29 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:37 pm

PkrBum wrote:
panhandler wrote:A firearm is indeed an instrument of death.  Nothing more and nothing less.

It's more like a tool. Good in the right hands... bad in the wrong hands.

A semi-automatic is a TOOL???????????   To perform what tasks, sir?  Name a couple.

The only thing a semi-automatic is good for, besides killing lots of enemies in combat or innocent civilians in a massacre, is to EMBOLDEN THE CARRIER IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Think about that, people.   Carrying a semi IN ITSELF facilitates violence because it makes the carrier less afraid, less hesitant -- more BOLD AND BRAVE -- to even consider doing the crime (or confronting the enemy) IN THE FIRST PLACE!  NO CIVILIAN SEMI-AUTO'S = A LOT FEWER MASSACRE ATTEMPTS.  DUH!!!!!!!!!


OUTLAW THE FRIGGIN' CIVILIAN POSSESSION OF SEMI-AUTO'S FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!  IT'S A NO-BRAINER!!!   WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SEE THIS????????  

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30 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:38 pm

RealLindaL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:

The vast majority of gun violence takes place at the hands of a felon legally forbidden to have a gun.

Likely the case in this instance too.

Get the facts straight.   The man was not a convicted felon.  The weapon was obtained legally.    He apparently lied on his application, but there should've been some cross-checking between the civilian and military systems in the background check that would've shown a propensity to violence.  Not sure why that didn't happen - maybe  because his was a "general", not a dishonorable, discharge.  

That's exactly the reason. A dishonorable would have excluded him from purchasing guns. He was discharged and demoted for domestic violence against his wife and child.

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31 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:39 pm

RealLindaL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:

The vast majority of gun violence takes place at the hands of a felon legally forbidden to have a gun.

Likely the case in this instance too.

Get the facts straight.   The man was not a convicted felon.  The weapon was obtained legally.    He apparently lied on his application, but there should've been some cross-checking between the civilian and military systems in the background check that would've shown a propensity to violence.  Not sure why that didn't happen - maybe  because his was a "general", not a dishonorable, discharge.  

Straight facts? I'm not sure why he was given a bad conduct discharge... or why a military charge of domestic violence would differ from or separate/excluded from a fbi background check.

Hopefully we'll know more soon... but it sounds like bureaucratic incompetence... again.

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32 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:24 pm

RealLindaL wrote:
OUTLAW THE FRIGGIN' CIVILIAN POSSESSION OF SEMI-AUTO'S FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!   

Browning, Remington and Ruger all make popular semi-auto hunting rifles.

Here's images of all three:







The problem is detachable magazines and magazine capacity. I don't know of any serious hunters that use an assault-style rifle. Serious hunters don't even like to go out in the field with an asshole with an AK or AR.

I've also noticed that a lot of combat vets don't like hunting so much anymore. Hmm-m-m...

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34 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:12 pm

RealLindaL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
panhandler wrote:A firearm is indeed an instrument of death.  Nothing more and nothing less.

It's more like a tool. Good in the right hands... bad in the wrong hands.

A semi-automatic is a TOOL???????????   To perform what tasks, sir?  Name a couple.

The only thing a semi-automatic is good for, besides killing lots of enemies in combat or innocent civilians in a massacre, is to EMBOLDEN THE CARRIER IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Think about that, people.   Carrying a semi IN ITSELF facilitates violence because it makes the carrier less afraid, less hesitant -- more BOLD AND BRAVE -- to even consider doing the crime (or confronting the enemy) IN THE FIRST PLACE!  NO CIVILIAN SEMI-AUTO'S = A LOT FEWER MASSACRE ATTEMPTS.  DUH!!!!!!!!!


OUTLAW THE FRIGGIN' CIVILIAN POSSESSION OF SEMI-AUTO'S FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!  IT'S A NO-BRAINER!!!   WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SEE THIS????????  


Do you expect the bad guys to turn in their weapons and promise not to alter the legal weapons? Please you are smarter than that!!!!!!

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35 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:45 am

Please have one person on this forum tell me that the automatic weapon ban did not lower deaths, and the repeal increased deaths, therefore the answer is simple.  Put the ban back in place.

People will still die......just fewer based on the clear statistical truth.

Congress is the problem. The solution is imperfect, but it will lower deaths.

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36 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:25 am

Automatic weapons are still as illegal as when they were "banned". I can think of only one recent crime.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/02/las_vegas_shooting_are_machine_guns_and_fully_automatic_rifles_legal.html

Gun violence is shrinking... except in large inner cities by felons in certain areas. Do you want to fix it?

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37 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:40 am

2seaoat wrote:Please have one person on this forum tell me that the automatic weapon ban did not lower deaths, and the repeal increased deaths, therefore the answer is simple.  Put the ban back in place.

People will still die......just fewer based on the clear statistical truth.

Congress is the problem.  The solution is imperfect, but it will lower deaths.

Presuming you meant semi-auto's, Sea, since, as Pkr pointed out, full auto's are still banned -- I agree wholeheartedly. Joani's argument that some semi-auto's -- 'homemade' or otherwise -- may still find their way into the wrong hands, is no reason not to TRY, for Pete's sake, to reduce the numbers of these weapons existing in our nation. To continue to allow, and thus condone, their unfettered purchase and use, is simply unconscionable. There's no valid reason for it -- none whatsoever.

Again, it's just plain common sense that these weapons clearly EMBOLDEN and facilitate murderers, and serve no beneficial use in non-military settings. NONE.

Can't we at least do this one thing? Ditch the unreasonable conspiracy theories about this being a slippery slope toward eliminating all gun rights -- a completely baseless theory, just as baseless as the terror that Obama was coming for your guns - remember?? -- and let's DO SOMETHING as a nation for once that makes sense and, as Sea points out, will surely reduce the number of senseless deaths in this country.

Let's do it for the children, if no other reason -- the slaughtered CHILDREN, who no longer have a voice nor any future. Sad

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38 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:15 am

We could solve much of our mass shooting problems with strict -- you go to prison for ten years minimum -- for being in possession of a firearm having a magazine that holds more than five rounds. Fuck the NRA and anyone who sends those gun lobbyists money.

"You want my guns? You'll have to pry them from my cold dead hands!"

"OK, that's a deal!"

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40 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:41 am


Good post Deus X! I lifted the following from the same article:

"The Difference Is Culture

The United States is one of only three countries, along with Mexico and Guatemala, that begin with the opposite assumption: that people have an inherent right to own guns.

The main reason American regulation of gun ownership is so weak may be the fact that the trade-offs are simply given a different weight in the United States than they are anywhere else.

After Britain had a mass shooting in 1987, the country instituted strict gun control laws. So did Australia after a 1996 incident. But the United States has repeatedly faced the same calculus and determined that relatively unregulated gun ownership is worth the cost to society.

That choice, more than any statistic or regulation, is what most sets the United States apart.

“In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate,” Dan Hodges, a British journalist, wrote in a post on Twitter two years ago, referring to the 2012 attack that killed 20 young students at an elementary school in Connecticut. “Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.”

Yeah . . . it's too soon to politicize the church shooting in Smotherland. Too soon to talk about gun control .... too soon. Too soon. Too soon!

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41 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:42 am

PkrBum wrote:
RealLindaL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:

The vast majority of gun violence takes place at the hands of a felon legally forbidden to have a gun.

Likely the case in this instance too.

Get the facts straight.   The man was not a convicted felon.  The weapon was obtained legally.    He apparently lied on his application, but there should've been some cross-checking between the civilian and military systems in the background check that would've shown a propensity to violence.  Not sure why that didn't happen - maybe  because his was a "general", not a dishonorable, discharge.  

Straight facts? I'm not sure why he was given a bad conduct discharge... or why a military charge of domestic violence would differ from or separate/excluded from a fbi background check.

Hopefully we'll know more soon... but it sounds like bureaucratic incompetence... again.

Bureaucratic incompetence it is. Now what should we beg for from our enormous central govt?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-shooting-church.html

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Tex. — A day after a gunman massacred parishioners in a small Texas church, the Air Force admitted on Monday that it had failed to enter the man’s domestic violence court-martial into a federal database that could have blocked him from buying the rifle he used to kill 26 people.

Under federal law, the conviction of the gunman, Devin P. Kelley, for domestic assault on his wife and toddler stepson — he had cracked the child’s skull — should have stopped Mr. Kelley from legally purchasing the military-style rifle and three other guns he acquired in the last four years.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/07/10/421789047/fbi-says-background-check-error-let-charleston-shooting-suspect-buy-gun

FBI Director James Comey said the man accused of killing nine people in a Charleston, S.C., church should never have been allowed to purchase a weapon.

Comey said flaws in paperwork and communication between a federal background check worker and state law enforcement allowed Dylann Roof to buy a handgun in South Carolina on April 16 — weeks before he allegedly attacked black churchgoers in a failed attempt to fuel a race war.

"We are all sick that this has happened," Comey told reporters Friday. "We wish we could turn back the clock. ... What we can do is make sure we learn from it, get better."

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42 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:22 pm

Wordslinger wrote:“In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate,” Dan Hodges, a British journalist, wrote in a post on Twitter two years ago, referring to the 2012 attack that killed 20 young students at an elementary school in Connecticut. “Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.”

And we explain this to grieving parents, grandparents, surviving siblings and other family members in the current and virtually inevitable future mass killings of children -- exactly how?  HOW??  SOMEONE TELL ME HOW???  

                          WAKE UP, AMERICA!!

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43 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:33 pm

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44 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:34 pm

PkrBum wrote:
Gun violence is shrinking... except in large inner cities by felons in certain areas. Do you want to fix it?

Racist dog whistle by the Forum's Nazi-and-pedophile-supporting RACIST-in-Chief!

It's shameful that sort of thinly-disguised racist hate-speech is tolerated.

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45 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:57 pm

Here's an interesting tidbit:

The two Texas congressmen who have been seen most often on TV doing interviews about the shooting, Henry Cuellar and Vincente Gonzalez--both taking the NRA position--both voted FOR House bill H.R. 1181 which “prohibits, in any case arising out of the administration of laws and benefits by the Department of Veterans Affairs, any person who is mentally incapacitated, deemed mentally incompetent, or experiencing an extended loss of consciousness from being considered adjudicated as a mental defective for purposes of the right to receive or transport firearms without the order or finding of a judicial authority of competent jurisdiction that such person is a danger to himself or herself or others”.

http://alliance.newtownaction.org/press-releases/newtown-action-alliance-strongly-condemns-house-vote-h-r-1181-put-guns-hands-veterans-severe-mental-illness-risk-gun-suicides/

And then there's this:

A Democratic congressman fell for an Internet meme when he identified Sam Hyde as the shooter in the Sutherland Springs massacre. Rep Vicente Gonzalez told both CNN and Univision that Hyde was the man shot more than 20 people dead at the First Baptist Church just outside of San Antonio on November 5. The shooter has been identified by CBS News as Devin Patrick Kelley, 26.
https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/sutherland-springs-sam-hyde/

How do they live with themselves now?

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46 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:17 pm

RealLindaL wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:“In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate,” Dan Hodges, a British journalist, wrote in a post on Twitter two years ago, referring to the 2012 attack that killed 20 young students at an elementary school in Connecticut. “Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.”

And we explain this to grieving parents, grandparents, surviving siblings and other family members in the current and virtually inevitable future mass killings of children -- exactly how?  HOW??  SOMEONE TELL ME HOW???  

                          WAKE UP, AMERICA!!

You wake up. The govt/military failed to enforce the laws. Why isn't that what you want fixed?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-shooting-church.html

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Tex. — A day after a gunman massacred parishioners in a small Texas church, the Air Force admitted on Monday that it had failed to enter the man’s domestic violence court-martial into a federal database that could have blocked him from buying the rifle he used to kill 26 people.

Under federal law, the conviction of the gunman, Devin P. Kelley, for domestic assault on his wife and toddler stepson — he had cracked the child’s skull — should have stopped Mr. Kelley from legally purchasing the military-style rifle and three other guns he acquired in the last four years.

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48 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:05 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/us/texas-church-shooting/index.html

(CNN)The man who killed more than 20 people at a small Texas church escaped from a mental health facility five years ago after sneaking guns onto an Air Force base and making threats against commanders, according to a police report.

Devin Patrick Kelley's June 2012 escape from Peak Behavioral Health Systems in New Mexico occurred months after he was accused of abusing his ex-wife and her child, according to an El Paso Police Department report obtained by CNN affiliate KVIA on Tuesday.

Kelley was picked up after the Santa Teresa, New Mexico, facility listed him as missing. The documents said officers had been warned that Kelley was a danger to himself and others and that he had sneaked firearms onto Holloman Air Force Base, where he had reportedly threatened his commanders.

Kelley had been placed into pretrial confinement at a civilian facility days before his escape, according to two Air Force officials.

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49 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:13 am

PkrBum wrote:
RealLindaL wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:“In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate,” Dan Hodges, a British journalist, wrote in a post on Twitter two years ago, referring to the 2012 attack that killed 20 young students at an elementary school in Connecticut. “Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.”

And we explain this to grieving parents, grandparents, surviving siblings and other family members in the current and virtually inevitable future mass killings of children -- exactly how?  HOW??  SOMEONE TELL ME HOW???  

                          WAKE UP, AMERICA!!

You wake up. The govt/military failed to enforce the laws. Why isn't that what you want fixed?


I never said I didn't want that fixed,  you DOOFUS.  I want BOTH, as anyone with half a brain would. But maybe you don't have even half remaining?

And why haven't you answered me as to what types of uses semi-auto's serve as "tools," hm?   All I hear is crickets on that one.

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50 Re: Another mass shooting, ho hum... on Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:09 am

RealLindaL wrote:
I never said I didn't want that fixed,  you DOOFUS...

Oooh, Linda, you so SASSY! You go, girl!

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