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1 The Hillary DNC on Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:18 pm

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

Balled Bernie Sanders, I lit a candle in my living room and put on some gospel music. I wanted to center myself for what I knew would be an emotional phone call.

I had promised Bernie when I took the helm of the Democratic National Committee after the convention that I would get to the bottom of whether Hillary Clinton’s team had rigged the nomination process, as a cache of emails stolen by Russian hackers and posted online had suggested. I’d had my suspicions from the moment I walked in the door of the DNC a month or so earlier, based on the leaked emails. But who knew if some of them might have been forged? I needed to have solid proof, and so did Bernie.

So I followed the money. My predecessor, Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, had not been the most active chair in fundraising at a time when President Barack Obama’s neglect had left the party in significant debt. As Hillary’s campaign gained momentum, she resolved the party’s debt and put it on a starvation diet. It had become dependent on her campaign for survival, for which she expected to wield control of its operations.

Debbie was not a good manager. She hadn’t been very interested in controlling the party—she let Clinton’s headquarters in Brooklyn do as it desired so she didn’t have to inform the party officers how bad the situation was. How much control Brooklyn had and for how long was still something I had been trying to uncover for the last few weeks.

By September 7, the day I called Bernie, I had found my proof and it broke my heart.

***

The Saturday morning after the convention in July, I called Gary Gensler, the chief financial officer of Hillary’s campaign. He wasted no words. He told me the Democratic Party was broke and $2 million in debt.

“What?” I screamed. “I am an officer of the party and they’ve been telling us everything is fine and they were raising money with no problems.”

That wasn’t true, he said. Officials from Hillary’s campaign had taken a look at the DNC’s books. Obama left the party $24 million in debt—$15 million in bank debt and more than $8 million owed to vendors after the 2012 campaign and had been paying that off very slowly. Obama’s campaign was not scheduled to pay it off until 2016. Hillary for America (the campaign) and the Hillary Victory Fund (its joint fundraising vehicle with the DNC) had taken care of 80 percent of the remaining debt in 2016, about $10 million, and had placed the party on an allowance.

If I didn’t know about this, I assumed that none of the other officers knew about it, either. That was just Debbie’s way. In my experience she didn’t come to the officers of the DNC for advice and counsel. She seemed to make decisions on her own and let us know at the last minute what she had decided, as she had done when she told us about the hacking only minutes before the Washington Post broke the news.

Right around the time of the convention, the leaked emails revealed Hillary’s campaign was grabbing money from the state parties for its own purposes, leaving the states with very little to support down-ballot races. A Politico story published on May 2, 2016, described the big fund-raising vehicle she had launched through the states the summer before, quoting a vow she had made to rebuild “the party from the ground up … when our state parties are strong, we win. That’s what will happen.”

Yet the states kept less than half of 1 percent of the $82 million they had amassed from the extravagant fund-raisers Hillary’s campaign was holding, just as Gary had described to me when he and I talked in August. When the Politico story described this arrangement as “essentially … money laundering” for the Clinton campaign, Hillary’s people were outraged at being accused of doing something shady. Bernie’s people were angry for their own reasons, saying this was part of a calculated strategy to throw the nomination to Hillary.

I wanted to believe Hillary, who made campaign finance reform part of her platform, but I had made this pledge to Bernie and did not want to disappoint him. I kept asking the party lawyers and the DNC staff to show me the agreements that the party had made for sharing the money they raised, but there was a lot of shuffling of feet and looking the other way.

When I got back from a vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, I at last found the document that described it all: the Joint Fund-Raising Agreement between the DNC, the Hillary Victory Fund, and Hillary for America.

The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.

I had been wondering why it was that I couldn’t write a press release without passing it by Brooklyn. Well, here was the answer.

When the party chooses the nominee, the custom is that the candidate’s team starts to exercise more control over the party. If the party has an incumbent candidate, as was the case with Clinton in 1996 or Obama in 2012, this kind of arrangement is seamless because the party already is under the control of the president. When you have an open contest without an incumbent and competitive primaries, the party comes under the candidate’s control only after the nominee is certain. When I was manager of Al Gore’s campaign in 2000, we started inserting our people into the DNC in June. This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination.

I had tried to search out any other evidence of internal corruption that would show that the DNC was rigging the system to throw the primary to Hillary, but I could not find any in party affairs or among the staff. I had gone department by department, investigating individual conduct for evidence of skewed decisions, and I was happy to see that I had found none. Then I found this agreement.

The funding arrangement with HFA and the victory fund agreement was not illegal, but it sure looked unethical. If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead. This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity.

***

I had to keep my promise to Bernie. I was in agony as I dialed him. Keeping this secret was against everything that I stood for, all that I valued as a woman and as a public servant.

“Hello, senator. I’ve completed my review of the DNC and I did find the cancer,” I said. “But I will not kill the patient.”

I discussed the fundraising agreement that each of the candidates had signed. Bernie was familiar with it, but he and his staff ignored it. They had their own way of raising money through small donations. I described how Hillary’s campaign had taken it another step.

I told Bernie I had found Hillary’s Joint Fundraising Agreement. I explained that the cancer was that she had exerted this control of the party long before she became its nominee. Had I known this, I never would have accepted the interim chair position, but here we were with only weeks before the election.

Bernie took this stoically. He did not yell or express outrage. Instead he asked me what I thought Hillary’s chances were. The polls were unanimous in her winning but what, he wanted to know, was my own assessment?

I had to be frank with him. I did not trust the polls, I said. I told him I had visited states around the country and I found a lack of enthusiasm for her everywhere. I was concerned about the Obama coalition and about millennials.

I urged Bernie to work as hard as he could to bring his supporters into the fold with Hillary, and to campaign with all the heart and hope he could muster. He might find some of her positions too centrist, and her coziness with the financial elites distasteful, but he knew and I knew that the alternative was a person who would put the very future of the country in peril. I knew he heard me. I knew he agreed with me, but I never in my life had felt so tiny and powerless as I did making that call.

When I hung up the call to Bernie, I started to cry, not out of guilt, but out of anger. We would go forward. We had to.

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2 Re: The Hillary DNC on Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:52 pm

FYI: Bernie is an Independent, not a Democrat.

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3 Re: The Hillary DNC on Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:30 pm

panhandler wrote:FYI:  Bernie is an Independent, not a Democrat.

Yep. And he got to use the DNC's mailing/donor list, and got included in Democratic debates. They may have stuck it to him some (mainly to keep an even-more-unviable-than-Hillary candidate out of the general), but they benefited him far more than they hurt him. They brought him to the dance... although it turns out they shouldn't have. He'd've gotten nowhere without access to that donor list.

Still, if they did some sneaky things, that should be looked at so it doesn't happen anymore. But, Bernie wasn't "cheated" of anything.

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4 Re: The Hillary DNC on Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:03 pm

Good... explain it away.... learn nothing.

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5 Re: The Hillary DNC on Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:08 pm

Let me see if I understand PK's logic. Party members make policy. The policy favors a particular member of the party. A non party member does not get a fair shake on fund raising, and PK gets his panties in a bind. I would agree 100% with PK's logic if Bernie was a Democrat, and he had no knowledge of the campaign funding. He acknowledged he was aware of the DNC funding, and that he had plenty of funds from his choice as to how he would fund his campaign.

I do think this article is excellent as it once again shows the hubris of Hillary Clinton. I wish she would just STFU, and go be a good grandmother. Every time she speaks she is giving credence to the disaster we have in the White House, and puts her ego and arrogance ahead of the need for new blood to fight the gallant fight to come without the baggage she brings.

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6 Re: The Hillary DNC on Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:32 pm

2seaoat wrote:
I do think this article is excellent as it once again shows the hubris of Hillary Clinton.   I wish she would just STFU, and go be a good grandmother.  Every time she speaks she is giving credence to the disaster we have in the White House, and puts her ego and arrogance ahead of the need for new blood to fight the gallant fight to come without the baggage she brings.

*  *  *  A L E R T    T H E     M E D I A !  *  *  *


Seaoat is NOT wrong about something! Will wonders never cease?

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7 Re: The Hillary DNC on Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:30 am

Deus X wrote:
2seaoat wrote:
I do think this article is excellent as it once again shows the hubris of Hillary Clinton.   I wish she would just STFU, and go be a good grandmother.  Every time she speaks she is giving credence to the disaster we have in the White House, and puts her ego and arrogance ahead of the need for new blood to fight the gallant fight to come without the baggage she brings.

*  *  *  A L E R T    T H E     M E D I A !  *  *  *


Seaoat is NOT wrong about something! Will wonders never cease?

lol!   cheers   lol!    cheers

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8 Re: The Hillary DNC on Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:59 am

(CNN)"Yes."

That was Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren's response to a simple question asked by CNN's Jake Tapper Thursday night: "Senator, do you agree with the notion that (the 2016 Democratic primary) was rigged?"
And with that single word, a largely behind-the-scenes feud -- over not just how the 2016 election was lost but also where the Democratic Party needs to go before 2020 -- broke out into the public eye in a major way.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-democratic-party/index.html

Yes, I agree. Since Sanders was not a REAL Democrat he was at a disadvantage but he did run for the Democratic nomination. He got into the race under the banner of the Democrats. He ran against Hillary, competing within the framework of the party. It comes as no shock whatsoever that the system was rigged against him.

It remains to be seen if his message, which was one of the unfairness of the financial system in this country, i.e. tax structure, low wages, institutionalized racism, will ever be effectively addressed. To me that is the regrettable result of this rigged system.

Now we have a tweeting idiot in the WH and a GOP tax plan that will enrich even more the already wealthy.  

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9 Re: The Hillary DNC on Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:36 pm

othershoe1030 wrote:(CNN)"Yes."

That was Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren's response to a simple question asked by CNN's Jake Tapper Thursday night: "Senator, do you agree with the notion that (the 2016 Democratic primary) was rigged?"
And with that single word, a largely behind-the-scenes feud -- over not just how the 2016 election was lost but also where the Democratic Party needs to go before 2020 -- broke out into the public eye in a major way.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-democratic-party/index.html

Yes, I agree. Since Sanders was not a REAL Democrat he was at a disadvantage but he did run for the Democratic nomination. He got into the race under the banner of the Democrats. He ran against Hillary, competing within the framework of the party. It comes as no shock whatsoever that the system was rigged against him.

It remains to be seen if his message, which was one of the unfairness of the financial system in this country, i.e. tax structure, low wages, institutionalized racism, will ever be effectively addressed. To me that is the regrettable result of this rigged system.

Now we have a tweeting idiot in the WH and a GOP tax plan that will enrich even more the already wealthy.  

It wasn't rigged.

She had many advantages over Sanders, and she got more votes.

And, Bernie made a huge tactical error in relying disproportionately on caucuses.

I've always considered Brazile to be a political hack, ... she now just seems to be a particularly self-serving political hack.

She's obviously made a strategic decision to place her bets with the standard bearer of the direction in which the Democratic party is moving.

I continue to believe that Sanders was right on message, but an extremely flawed messenger.

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10 Re: The Hillary DNC on Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:36 pm

You might notice Pkr, that the Democrats on this forum do not CARE about this obvious diversion from the Mannafort indictments. I don't care how much money the DNC owed Clinton or how much support they gave her, she WON the Democratic primaries with no problem at all. The Voters decided their candidate, not the party or an electoral college system. And I never thought I'd say this, but Elizabeth Warren needs to shut her squeaky little mouth and Donna Brazille needs to STFU too. The majority of Dems in the US did NOT want Bernie to be their candidate. That's what happened in the Democratic primaries.
And once again, as many have said, he's always been too 'Pure" to call himself a Democrat before, so I wouldn't want him getting any money I may have given to the Democratic National Committee.
He's like all those indys that cry because they can't vote in any party's primaries they want to vote in so they can screw up whatever party they really don't like. Fish or cut bait-otherwise, get out of the boat.

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11 Re: The Hillary DNC on Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:45 pm

bigdog wrote:You might notice Pkr, that the Democrats on this forum do not CARE about this obvious diversion from the Mannafort indictments. I don't care how much money the DNC owed Clinton or how much support they gave her, she WON the Democratic primaries with no problem at all. The Voters decided their candidate, not the party or an electoral college system. And I never thought I'd say this, but Elizabeth Warren needs to shut her squeaky little mouth and Donna Brazille needs to STFU too. The majority of Dems in the US did NOT want Bernie to be their candidate. That's what happened in the Democratic primaries.
And once again, as many have said, he's always been too 'Pure" to call himself a Democrat before, so I wouldn't want him getting any money I may have given to the Democratic National Committee.
He's like all those indys that cry because they can't vote in any party's primaries they want to vote in so they can screw up whatever party they really don't like. Fish or cut bait-otherwise, get out of the boat.

Uh oh!

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12 Re: The Hillary DNC on Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:47 pm

BTW Pkr, there's nothing to learn. Ms Clinton won the national vote by over 3 million votes. The self flagellation that has been going on by her and by the Democratic party is ridiculous.

The only thing Dems need to learn is how to stop the gerrymandering that has led to Republicans getting less votes but winning both the House and the White House from manipulation of the system.
We sure don't need to take any lessons from the Republicans. We still have scruples.

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13 Re: The Hillary DNC on Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:50 pm

Deus X wrote:
bigdog wrote:You might notice Pkr, that the Democrats on this forum do not CARE about this obvious diversion from the Mannafort indictments. I don't care how much money the DNC owed Clinton or how much support they gave her, she WON the Democratic primaries with no problem at all. The Voters decided their candidate, not the party or an electoral college system. And I never thought I'd say this, but Elizabeth Warren needs to shut her squeaky little mouth and Donna Brazille needs to STFU too. The majority of Dems in the US did NOT want Bernie to be their candidate. That's what happened in the Democratic primaries.
And once again, as many have said, he's always been too 'Pure" to call himself a Democrat before, so I wouldn't want him getting any money I may have given to the Democratic National Committee.
He's like all those indys that cry because they can't vote in any party's primaries they want to vote in so they can screw up whatever party they really don't like. Fish or cut bait-otherwise, get out of the boat.

Uh oh!


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14 Re: The Hillary DNC on Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:50 pm

bigdog wrote:You might notice Pkr, that the Democrats on this forum do not CARE about this obvious diversion from the Mannafort indictments. I don't care how much money the DNC owed Clinton or how much support they gave her, she WON the Democratic primaries with no problem at all. The Voters decided their candidate, not the party or an electoral college system. And I never thought I'd say this, but Elizabeth Warren needs to shut her squeaky little mouth and Donna Brazille needs to STFU too. The majority of Dems in the US did NOT want Bernie to be their candidate. That's what happened in the Democratic primaries.
And once again, as many have said, he's always been too 'Pure" to call himself a Democrat before, so I wouldn't want him getting any money I may have given to the Democratic National Committee.
He's like all those indys that cry because they can't vote in any party's primaries they want to vote in so they can screw up whatever party they really don't like. Fish or cut bait-otherwise, get out of the boat.

Chris Matthews is out with a book about Bobby Kennedy. One of the things he talks about on shows where he's pushing the book is that Bobby was looked up to and respected by the working class of all races. This is something the Dems have gotten away from and is a big mistake.

We all know that regardless of what they say that the GOP is the party of money and big business, period. They have managed to paint the Dems as some elites in their ivory towers on the coasts of this country and the dems have not fought back on that hard enough. They've deserted the workers and the unions.

The message that Bernie and Warren were spreading was getting back to the foundation of the Democratic Party. That is what sparked all the emotional appeal of the campaign during the primaries. Sure, I voted for Hillary. And I understand party politics and the function of money but it is not a stretch to say that the party bosses had their thumb on the scale for her.

I see your point about Bernie not being a real Democrat so you don't want DNC money to go to him but if he had won the nomination the party would have backed him just as the R's backed Trump and you know they would have rather had him in the WH than Trump.

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15 Re: The Hillary DNC on Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:18 pm

And if Elizabeth Warren had had the guts to run she would have most likely gotten the nomination over both Clinton AND Sanders, but she chose to sit on the sidelines instead. Now she wants to mouth off about how unfair the party was to Bernie when she could have easily been the voice of progressivism in the 2016 elections. She would have won easily, IMO, because she wouldn't have had the Clinton baggage nor would she have the Socialist baggage that Sanders will always carry with him. But she didn't want to participate. Joe Biden would have won the White House if he had been the nominee too, but at least he did have the excuse of his son passing away. I still resent him putting that ahead of the future of this country, to be honest with you. He has said he regrets it too, as well he should. All these people that could have made a difference but didn't even try. All I can say is this democrat isn't interested in hearing them whine about somebody else being unfair to somebody else.That's disastrous for the party and the future of this country probably depends on the next election. So STFU Liz and Donna. Oh, and wasn't it Donna who fed those debate questions to Clinton? Where does she get the nerve to complain about an unfair election now?
What really pisses me off is Brazille has always said how close she is to the Clintons. Now she does an "et tu Brute." Screw her.

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16 Re: The Hillary DNC on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:19 am

Warren would've spilt Bernie's vote... though don't doubt either could've won the general. Joe might have split Hillary's vote... but again I think he (and many others) would've won the general. Btw... we don't have mob rule in this country... yet. For very good reasons. You might want to learn about that.

Hillary was a terrible and obviously corrupt candidate. That alone should be a lesson. Stop excusing faults.

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17 Re: The Hillary DNC on Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:25 pm

bigdog wrote:And if Elizabeth Warren had had the guts to run she would have most likely gotten the nomination over both Clinton AND Sanders, but she chose to sit on the sidelines instead. Now she wants to mouth off about how unfair the party was to Bernie when she could have easily been the voice of progressivism in the 2016 elections. She would have won easily, IMO, because she wouldn't have had the Clinton baggage nor would she have the Socialist baggage that Sanders will always carry with him. But she didn't want to participate. Joe Biden would have won the White House if he had been the nominee too, but at least he did have the excuse of his son passing away. I still resent him putting that ahead of the future of this country, to be honest with you. He has said he regrets it too, as well he should. All these people that could have made a difference but didn't even try. All I can say is this democrat isn't interested in hearing them whine about somebody else being unfair to somebody else.That's disastrous for the party and the future of this country probably depends on the next election. So STFU Liz and Donna. Oh, and wasn't it Donna who fed those debate questions to Clinton? Where does she get the nerve to complain about an unfair election now?
What really pisses me off is Brazille has always said how close she is to the Clintons. Now she does an "et tu Brute." Screw her.

This is what happens when you let women vote! Now we've got a cat-fight destroying the Democratic party. Women should stick to what they're congenitally suited for: Reproduction, house-keeping and pole dancing, and that only when they're under 26. After that it's off to the scullery and the bedroom with the lot of them.

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18 Re: The Hillary DNC on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:41 pm

Deus X wrote:
bigdog wrote:And if Elizabeth Warren had had the guts to run she would have most likely gotten the nomination over both Clinton AND Sanders, but she chose to sit on the sidelines instead. Now she wants to mouth off about how unfair the party was to Bernie when she could have easily been the voice of progressivism in the 2016 elections. She would have won easily, IMO, because she wouldn't have had the Clinton baggage nor would she have the Socialist baggage that Sanders will always carry with him. But she didn't want to participate. Joe Biden would have won the White House if he had been the nominee too, but at least he did have the excuse of his son passing away. I still resent him putting that ahead of the future of this country, to be honest with you. He has said he regrets it too, as well he should. All these people that could have made a difference but didn't even try. All I can say is this democrat isn't interested in hearing them whine about somebody else being unfair to somebody else.That's disastrous for the party and the future of this country probably depends on the next election. So STFU Liz and Donna. Oh, and wasn't it Donna who fed those debate questions to Clinton? Where does she get the nerve to complain about an unfair election now?
What really pisses me off is Brazille has always said how close she is to the Clintons. Now she does an "et tu Brute." Screw her.

This is what happens when you let women vote! Now we've got a cat-fight destroying the Democratic party. Women should stick to what they're congenitally suited for: Reproduction, house-keeping and pole dancing, and that only when they're under 26. After that it's off to the scullery and the bedroom with the lot of them.

lol! Hilarious! lol!

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19 Re: The Hillary DNC on Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:03 am

Former Democratic National Committee head Donna Brazile writes in a new book that she seriously contemplated replacing Hillary Clinton as the party’s 2016 presidential nominee with then-Vice President Biden in the aftermath of Clinton’s fainting spell, in part because Clinton’s campaign was “anemic” and had taken on “the odor of failure.”

Apparently, Brazile's book is either fantasy fiction or artful trolling.

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20 Re: The Hillary DNC on Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:11 am

It's scary how far u can bend reality to believe what u wish.

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21 Re: The Hillary DNC on Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:10 pm

Sal wrote:Former Democratic National Committee head Donna Brazile writes in a new book that she seriously contemplated replacing Hillary Clinton as the party’s 2016 presidential nominee with then-Vice President Biden in the aftermath of Clinton’s fainting spell, in part because Clinton’s campaign was “anemic” and had taken on “the odor of failure.”

Apparently, Brazile's book is either fantasy fiction or artful trolling.

I'm mystified Sal by your continued defense of Hillary. She and her hubby are corrupt puppets of BIG MONEY, and she's plainly distrusted and unlikable. If Bernie had been the candidate Trump would be back selling condos and closing down money losing casinos.

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22 Re: The Hillary DNC on Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:37 pm

Wordslinger wrote:
Sal wrote:Former Democratic National Committee head Donna Brazile writes in a new book that she seriously contemplated replacing Hillary Clinton as the party’s 2016 presidential nominee with then-Vice President Biden in the aftermath of Clinton’s fainting spell, in part because Clinton’s campaign was “anemic” and had taken on “the odor of failure.”

Apparently, Brazile's book is either fantasy fiction or artful trolling.

I'm mystified Sal by your continued defense of Hillary.  She and her hubby are corrupt puppets of BIG MONEY, and she's plainly distrusted and unlikable.  If Bernie had been the candidate Trump would be back selling condos and closing down money losing casinos.  

And I don't understand your hatred of the Clintons, nor the continuing insistence that Bernie would have won. It's moot now, isn't it? I am so tired of the division in the Democratic Party...if you want someone to be mad at, try Debbie Wasserman-Schultz or Donna Brazile.

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23 Re: The Hillary DNC on Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:02 pm

I am so tired of the division in the Democratic Party...if you want someone to be mad at, try Debbie Wasserman-Schultz or Donna Brazile.

I had to go to work this morning and because I had taken some medical pot this morning, I asked my wife to drive. We are driving through miles and miles of cornfields with wind turbines everywhere, and saw all these homes with signs against expansion of wind power. We were listening to Stephanie Miller's radio show as she is a far left broadcaster who I love her humor, but she is getting all worked up about Trump's minutiae of FUs and what a dummy he is and as I listened and saw the signs and the farms, I realized the democrats are intellectually disengaged with most Americans who simply do not care about 90% of what gets liberals so excited. It has been one year since I unsubscribed to Fox News and MSNBC which like the democratic party, I believe are completely disconnected to thinking American citizens who just do not hypervenelate. Until the Democratic party reconnects with the American working class, and puts a clear focus on economic reform through real tax reform, the arrogance and hubris of the Democrats looking down culturally on the American working class will bite them in the asz. Their media spokesmen are lost and they are lost. Blaming those two women for the arrogance and hubris of an entire party is simple scapegoating. It used to be working men and women went into local and state politics and moved up over years and years. Now it is just wealthy folks who on both sides of the aisle who give a chit about working people who are more concerned about local issues than the nothing burgers on cable tv.

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24 Re: The Hillary DNC on Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:28 am

2seaoat wrote:  We are driving through miles and miles of cornfields with wind turbines everywhere, and saw all these homes with signs against expansion of wind power.  

Why are the homeowners against wind power?

P.S. If you'd started smoking weed fifty years ago, you'd have come to your senses about the "American Dream" a lot sooner.

Here's some advice: Never listen to the news when you're stoned, listen to music. Classical music's nice, the news'll just make you crazy crazier.

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25 Re: The Hillary DNC on Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:29 am

2seaoat wrote: I am so tired of the division in the Democratic Party...if you want someone to be mad at, try Debbie Wasserman-Schultz or Donna Brazile.

I had to go to work this morning and because I had taken some medical pot this morning, I asked my wife to drive.  We are driving through miles and miles of cornfields with wind turbines everywhere, and saw all these homes with signs against expansion of wind power.  We were listening to Stephanie Miller's radio show as she is a far left broadcaster who I love her humor, but she is getting all worked up about Trump's minutiae of FUs and what a dummy he is and as I listened and saw the signs and the farms, I realized the democrats are intellectually disengaged with most Americans who simply do not care about 90% of what gets liberals so excited.  It has been one year since I unsubscribed to Fox News and MSNBC which like the democratic party, I believe are completely disconnected to thinking American citizens who just do not hypervenelate.  Until the Democratic party reconnects with the American working class, and puts a clear focus on economic reform through real tax reform, the arrogance and hubris of the Democrats looking down culturally on the American working class will bite them in the asz.  Their media spokesmen are lost and they are lost.  Blaming those two women for the arrogance and hubris of an entire party is simple scapegoating.   It used to be working men and women went into local and state politics and moved up over years and years.  Now it is just wealthy folks who on both sides of the aisle who give a chit about working people who are more concerned about local issues than the nothing burgers on cable tv.

You think the Democrats are disconnected? How about your party? Cuts to every safety net, including SS, which is self-funding, cuts to CHIP, tax breaks that favor their wealthy donor class, war on women, no safeguards against pollution, exploitation of national parks for profit...the problem with these people is that they don't understand what's happening and are content to get their "news" from right-wing sources that routinely lie. The party "leadership" has elevated and refused to remove from office a man with a history of corruption that is ongoing. Your party wouldn't exist today if it weren't for the parade of liars that keep propping it up. And, yes, I blame Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for allowing the DNC primaries to be compromised. And I don't know what Donna Brazile is trying to achieve with her book, but it isn't party unity.

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