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1 Military compliance in America on 9/25/2017, 7:52 pm

It was not until 1931, twenty years before my birth that baseball mandated the national anthem. Senator Flake and McCain raised serious questions about the military spending money on sporting events a few years back concerning military presence at sporting events. I simply do not understand why a sporting event is connected to the national anthem. I never saw it in little league. I never saw it in my daughter's junior high volleyball games, and as it is well known on this forum that I am concerned with the increasing military presence in America which has consequences on how our civilian policing and military has grown geometrically since our founding fathers created this nation, and warned us about the danger of standing armies.

This idea that if I do not stand or sing is particularly troublesome for me as I am often not strong enough to stand and if I sit and put my hand over my heart and remain seated it has somehow become connected in a totalitarian sense a rejection of the regime. If you watch the Vice News reporting from Korea, and the Nazi rallies of the thirties there is a commonality of group think and pressure for political conformity. I simply want demilitarization of our society. I want smart defensive deployments which cuts our vulnerable and immensely expensive carrier groups by about thirty percent. I want pull backs in Europe, Middle East, and the far east. This idea that we have to send young Americans to be sacrificed on the alter of profit for the military industrial complex, does not mean I am disrespecting those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice, rather that the need for that sacrifice has been less rational over the last seventy years. Ike warned us. It takes far more courage to change the direction this country has taken, than to be a token prop in an increasingly militaristic totalitarian regime.

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2 Re: Military compliance in America on 9/25/2017, 9:21 pm

NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy confirmed this morning the practice began in 2009, adding, 'As you know, the NFL has a long tradition of patriotism. Players are encouraged but not required to stand for the anthem.'

Add in the fact that the NFL received millions of taxpayer dollars from the Department of Defense and the National Guard for patriotic displays, and it puts the entire Kaepernick hullabaloo in a different light. "Fans should have confidence that their hometown heroes are being honored because of their honorable military service, not as a marketing ploy," Senator John McCain, the Vietnam War veteran and P.O.W., said in a statement last year coinciding with "Tackling Paid Patriotism," a joint oversight report released by McCain and his fellow Arizona Republican Senator John Flake.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/yp89dj/stephen-a-smith-points-out-nfls-paid-patriotism-problem

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3 Re: Military compliance in America on 9/26/2017, 8:37 am

Military compliance is the title of this thread, why?

The pledge and national anthem is not an ode to the military. It's a display of patriotism and loyalty to a nation that gives you the ability to freely run your word salad on a forum like this as disgusting as it may be with your incessant hate of the United States military.

Then you rant into never seeing a display of the national anthem at a Little League game as a kid or a parent. You just weren't paying attention and were probably one of those running your suck while the national anthem was being played. At opening day ceremonies for youth league baseball, there is always a playing of the national anthem. I saw it as a parent, a coach, and an umpire. That is pretty much standard in this area for opening day and the flag would fly all season until the end of the rec league year and then All Stars would do the same for the parks hosting those tournaments. Playing USSSA ball from here, to Houston, up into north Alabama and Atlanta, where there are huge USSSA leagues, it is standard at the beginning of a tournament to play the national anthem as teams are introduced.

As someone with disabilities, you would not be expected to stand given your current health as it would be understandable. Most people can look at an elderly person in your condition and understand, but still, you'd do more standing and kneeling in a Catholic church service as compared to that couple of minutes the national anthem plays.

You can choose to kneel, ignore, run your suck as The Star Spangled Banner is playing, but don't forget that there is a cost to your social choice of doing so. The NFL is finding that out from last year's antics where Kaepernick, who has bought into the BLM race baiting and propaganda hook, line, and sinker, to this year where the NFL's rating and fan participation has taken a nose dive more sharply than even Trump's ratings. Brandon Marshall, a Denver Broncos player has lost one of his sponsors from the local area in Denver. Wonder how much that check would have been had he decided to do his political rant after the game and not during his work hours? Btw, who here would logically expect to keep their jobs if we went into some sort of radical political display during work hours at our own places of employment?

Finally, you go into your isolationist, geopolitical diatribe as if you are some sort of Niall Ferguson. Your ideas are unrealistic given the geopolitical instability fomented by eight years of America withdrawing and leaving allies hanging all across the globe. Nobody trusts America not because of Trump, but because they saw a stark display of Obama leading from behind during his two terms of office. They saw Obama draw red line after red line for Syria that was never enforced and Assad killed his own with chem weapons that YOU said were removed, Russia in Crimea/Ukraine, Iran (who got green lights to hurry up and develop as much nuclear weaponry as they possibly could), and Lil Kim in NK was emboldened by Obama's absence from the world stage. Actually we can combine all POTUS back to the next to worst one (Carter as he was upstaged by Obama) as kicking the NK nuclear can down the road and now Trump has to deal with it and it irks you Trump actually has a set of gonads. Obama had some, they belonged to Michelle.

Come back when you can make a coherent argument about one topic and not jump the tracks into three others. Guess what? You aren't getting what you want on the geopolitical spectrum and America will be highly respected again after Trump's two terms. It will take that long to repair the damage left by the Donkeys from 2009-2017.

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4 Re: Military compliance in America on 9/26/2017, 9:44 am

ALTLEFTCRIMINALS wrote: Trump has to deal with it and it irks you Trump actually has a set of gonads. Obama had some, they belonged to Michelle.

If Trump does have any, they're resting on your chin like a pair of withered raisins. I've never seen a guy more in love with a public figure. He's your Jim Jones and you're parched for that Kool-Aid.

Come back when you can make a coherent argument about one topic and not jump the tracks into three others.

"Coherent argument" is a funny thing to hear from you, a person with the writing skills of a second grader and the "logic" of a lunatic describing his nightmares. Everything you write reads like it was rough-drafted in feces upon a madhouse wall somewhere.


Guess what? You aren't getting what you want on the geopolitical spectrum and America will be highly respected again after Trump's two terms. It will take that long to repair the damage left by the Donkeys from 2009-2017.

Case in point. Thinking that Trump is respected by anyone, much less the rest of the world, is as delusional as it gets. There's faking the moon landing, then there's the-Earth-is-flat, and then there's that. Reality just doesn't touch you at all. You really don't get how despicable people find you and that ridiculous failure you voted for... and I suppose that's a self-protection mechanism, because if you ever got an inkling of how badly you're actually regarded, it'd crush you. Your level of brainwashing would actually be frightening if anyone in this world cared about you in the slightest.

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5 Re: Military compliance in America on 9/26/2017, 12:56 pm

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7 Re: Military compliance in America on 9/26/2017, 2:10 pm

There is no logical reason to go to war in Korea. The Chinese, the North Koreans, and the Russians see America still as an imperialistic threat. It is not like all three have not faced invasion over the last 200 years....REPEATEDLY!

So we have Guam as an advanced base, we keep a skeleton crew in Japan, but most important is to remove our troops from Korea, and bring the Korean conflict to an end after almost 75 years. We simply create a two mile DMZ and have the Chinese control the same. The Chinese fear a United Korea controlled by America. The South Koreans fear an invasion from North Korea. The Japanese fear a nuclear Korea. In this treaty Korea maintains its nuclear weapons, but they are limited in number and range, and are subject to inspection.

In Western Europe, we reduce our troops by 80% with the replacements and costs for the same coming from NATO. The Russians and Ukraine(a former nuclear power resolve the border issues and Crimea in favor of Russia, but the Ukrainians as a former nuclear power retain 10 defensive nuclear warheads, as a treaty is signed between Ukraine and Russia tied to our withdrawal of troops from Europe. We would still have a foothold, but only bare bone and symbolic.

Our carrier groups must be reduced if we are going to be seen as a defender of our nation and not an imperialistic force.

The militarization of America when there were no nation state threats against America has been the biggest sham over the last 70 years in American history. Until we take the congressional folks like Graham and McCain who are trying to take Trump's 40 billion increase to as high as 80 billion a year increases in Military spending, we become weaker as a nation, and the American Military has become a paper tiger which other nation's now recognize as we have poured our resources down the rabbit hole for 70 years fighting MIC proxy wars to generate war profits, and have not used strategic planning to make America Safer over the next thirty years where technology and changing economic power. We need to redefine American zones of critical interest. A war in North Korea, or another war in the Middle East do not comply with long term defense of America. Killing millions of people and talking about military options is exactly why we are seen as a threat by most of the world. We need to stand down and use intelligent deployment of assets which should not be expanded obscenely, but cut to reflect a disciplined response to American security.

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8 Re: Military compliance in America on 9/26/2017, 2:31 pm

you go into your isolationist, geopolitical diatribe

I do not believe in isolationist withdrawal. I believe in intelligent reallocation of assets to maximize our defense, and minimize our drain on the treasury. It reminds me of the guy who gets a 20k commercial mower to cut once a week a quarter of acre. When somebody suggests a 3k big box mower will work just fine, we are told that invasive weeds will take over and that smaller mower cannot do the job. It is an absurd argument. Now equally absurd is the argument that making defense cuts will hurt the economy. In the long term shifting priorities will expand our GDP and economic power has always and will remain the best indicator of a nation's ability to defend itself.

I am most certainly am against a mercenary army which steals money from citizens in the form of higher taxes and depletion on productivity. I am in favor of a draft where every citizen faces the chance of military service. Only a small percentage would be mercenary volunteers, who would be only accepted if they met even higher standards than today. A nation whose children are at risk, will be wise when choosing to fight wars, but a nation who creates a mercenary army of economic disposables is a nation with no skin in the game to care about the MIC creating war after war.

I consider WWII the last legitimate war that America has fought. It was approved in Congress and we were attacked and parts of our sovereign territory was invaded. Everything else has been driven by war profits and the continued militarization of America. Our founding fathers recognized the danger.

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9 Re: Military compliance in America on 9/28/2017, 2:07 am

ALTLEFTCRIMINALS wrote:Military compliance is the title of this thread, why?

The pledge and national anthem is not an ode to the military. It's a display of patriotism and loyalty to a nation that gives you the ability to freely run your word salad on a forum like this as disgusting as it may be with your incessant hate of the United States military.  

Then you rant into never seeing a display of the national anthem at a Little League game as a kid or a parent. You just weren't paying attention and were probably one of those running your suck while the national anthem was being played. At opening day ceremonies for youth league baseball, there is always a playing of the national anthem.  I saw it as a parent, a coach, and an umpire. That is pretty much standard in this area for opening day and the flag would fly all season until the end of the rec league year and then All Stars would do the same for the parks hosting those tournaments. Playing USSSA ball from here, to Houston, up into north Alabama and Atlanta, where there are huge USSSA leagues, it is standard at the beginning of a tournament to play the national anthem as teams are introduced.

As someone with disabilities, you would not be expected to stand given your current health as it would be understandable. Most people can look at an elderly person in your condition and understand, but still, you'd do more standing and kneeling in a Catholic church service as compared to that couple of minutes the national anthem plays.

You can choose to kneel, ignore, run your suck as The Star Spangled Banner is playing, but don't forget that there is a cost to your social choice of doing so.  The NFL is finding that out from last year's antics where Kaepernick, who has bought into the BLM race baiting and propaganda hook, line, and sinker, to this year where the NFL's rating and fan participation has taken a nose dive more sharply than even Trump's ratings. Brandon Marshall, a Denver Broncos player has lost one of his sponsors from the local area in Denver. Wonder how much that check would have been had he decided to do his political rant after the game and not during his work hours? Btw, who here would logically expect to keep their jobs if we went into some sort of radical political display during work hours at our own places of employment?

Finally, you go into your isolationist, geopolitical diatribe as if you are some sort of Niall Ferguson.  Your ideas are unrealistic given the geopolitical instability fomented by eight years of America withdrawing and leaving allies hanging all across the globe. Nobody trusts America not because of Trump, but because they saw a stark display of Obama leading from behind during his two terms of office. They saw Obama draw red line after red line for Syria that was never enforced and Assad killed his own with chem weapons that YOU said were removed, Russia in Crimea/Ukraine, Iran (who got green lights to hurry up and develop as much nuclear weaponry as they possibly could), and Lil Kim in NK was emboldened by Obama's absence from the world stage. Actually we can combine all POTUS back to the next to worst one (Carter as he was upstaged by Obama) as kicking the NK nuclear can down the road and now Trump has to deal with it and it irks you Trump actually has a set of gonads. Obama had some, they belonged to Michelle.

Come back when you can make a coherent argument about one topic and not jump the tracks into three others.  Guess what? You aren't getting what you want on the geopolitical spectrum and America will be highly respected again after Trump's two terms. It will take that long to repair the damage left by the Donkeys from 2009-2017.

STFU you profound mental case.

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10 Re: Military compliance in America on 9/29/2017, 4:01 pm

Seaoat,

Everything you proposed in your word salad is an isolationist policy America pushed forth and practiced after WWI. Look where that got us? You have forgotten your history and want to doom your posterity to repeating it. Then you propose a draft, one of which you dodged yourself and brag about, yet you would force others to serve instead. The all vol military is what is best. We want people there who want to serve and not see it as how you view the military - a waste of your tax dollars or a burden. I'm sure you have raise a family of misfits that believe in the same. You're all about what's good for you and your own and to hell with the rest of us. Selfish. I thank God you are a minute minority with your ideology.

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11 Re: Military compliance in America on 9/29/2017, 4:57 pm

ALTLEFTCRIMINALS wrote: I thank God you are a minute minority with your ideology.  

Clinton received 65,844,610 votes, or 48.2% of the total vote.

Trump received 62,979,636 votes, or 46.1% of the total vote. (That's a difference of 2.86 million votes.)

Obviously, you don't understand the meaning of the word "minority", you dumb shit.

This was the same bullshit Lenin pulled during the Russian Revolution. In Russian, the word bolshevik means majority when, in fact, his faction was, by a large margin, the minority.

In 1917, out of a total of 822 delegates in the Constituent Assembly, the Mensheviks had 248 delegates – far more than the Bolsheviks.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/russia-1900-to-1939/the-mensheviks/

Now, who's the "comrade", you ignorant asshole?

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12 Re: Military compliance in America on 9/29/2017, 5:03 pm

My wish for all of us here is that we find someone to love as much as Altleft loves saying "word salad."

When a dumbass finally learns a phrase that all the smarter people knew and got bored with about ten years ago, it's all they wanna say. Somebody please stop giving that parrot crackers...

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13 Re: Military compliance in America on 9/29/2017, 5:32 pm

Wow, I see from at least one or two of these posts that this place hasn't changed as much as I thought it had. STFU is still considered an intelligent debate point on here, right?
I had a problem when I first heard that the National Anthem was not played at NFL games before 2009, and I have to say that I just don't think that is true. Many years ago, we had a huge satellite dish in our yard and could see what was happening during the TV commercials on the games. If I remember correctly, I remember the anthem being played, along with the players standing on the sidelines, but this was done while a commercial was on. When I was a child and went to see the Pensacola Senators or the Pensacola Angels play baseball at the old Admiral Mason park , the anthem was always played. I remember distinctly standing during the anthem and during the seventh inning stretch. I'm also fairly sure it was played at HS games back in the 60's too, at least here in Pensacola. In addition there was always a prayer, and both events were accompanied by a lot of people eating hot dogs, talking and being jmpatient for the game to start. I never knew what the national anthem or praying had to do with football or baseball. I'm 67 years old and I still haven't figured it out.
I stand for the anthem, but when I worked for the county we would have meetings that were opened with it, and several people in the crowd did not stand. They were Jehovah's Witnesses and just did not believe in it. They believe they cannot make an oath to a government that might entail them violating their loyalty to their God. I understand that completely. I also understand when African Americans are murdered by government authority figures with no real justification, that they don't want to pretend that government has their absolute loyalty. Not standing for the anthem is just a protest, that is all, and the soldiers who died for our country died for that constitutional right. They did not swear to protect the national anthem when they joined the military, they swore to protect our constitution. The anthem and the flag are symbols, the constitution is what makes us Americans. If they died for the flag and not for the constitution, then their sacrifice was for a piece of cloth and not worth much. Honoring the constitution with protest of injustices is exactly what our soldiers are here to protect.

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14 Re: Military compliance in America on 9/29/2017, 7:47 pm

Kneeling is submission. I'm still not sure why this was a big deal. If the nfl was ok with it (employer)... it was perfectly fine. Let the cards fly. I like their cause... tho it would be much more effective if it took on the police state in total. The overreach of authority is a great cause for every citizen. Do you really feel like we have a responsive govt that would respect our rights if we were falsely accused? I can't stand the direction we're heading.

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15 Re: Military compliance in America on 9/29/2017, 8:09 pm

zsomething wrote:My wish for all of us here is that we find someone to love as much as Altleft loves saying "word salad."  

When a dumbass finally learns a phrase that all the smarter people knew and got bored with about ten years ago, it's all they wanna say.  Somebody please stop giving that parrot crackers...




"Word salad" was a favorite of Markle the paid Russian spammer who was tossed off the forum by Boards a few years ago.

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16 Re: Military compliance in America on 9/29/2017, 8:38 pm

Telstar wrote:
"Word salad" was a favorite of Markle the paid Russian spammer who was tossed off the forum by Boards a few years ago.

Imagine that! Hmm-m-m-m...

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