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2 Re: Listen to this creep on 8/2/2017, 8:53 pm

If only your leftist ideology weren't authoritarian and the opposite of individual liberty.

Then your politicians could get elected. Have you considered changing the name again?

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3 Re: Listen to this creep on 8/3/2017, 1:14 am

Stephen Miller is a royal flaming arrogant asshole - thoroughly suited to the Trump administration and likely beloved by racist Steve Bannon.

As for Trump's proposed immigration policy, it's thoroughly appalling, just like virtually everything else he's put forth, but fortunately this policy likely has no chance to ever materialize as approved legislation in the Senate.  As others have pointed out, it's nothing more than red meat for Trump's pitiful base.

It amazes me when some cons call liberals "elitist," when there's no one or nothing more elitist than their own tiny-minded, exclusionary president, trying as he is to impose his and his bigoted appointees' purist standards onto all  potential immigrants knocking at freedom's door.   Sad!!

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4 Re: Listen to this creep on 8/3/2017, 8:41 am

PkrBum wrote:If only your leftist ideology weren't authoritarian and the opposite of individual liberty.

Ha ha ha haaaaa! That, out of you! A Republican calling anyone else "authoritarian" is hilarious. What's next, you gonna call us theocrats?

"If only you didn't have a shell on your back and live in a lake," said the turtle.

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5 Re: Listen to this creep on 8/3/2017, 9:06 am

zsomething wrote:
PkrBum wrote:If only your leftist ideology weren't authoritarian and the opposite of individual liberty.

Ha ha ha haaaaa!  That, out of you!  A Republican calling anyone else "authoritarian" is hilarious.  What's next, you gonna call us theocrats?

"If only you didn't have a shell on your back and live in a lake," said the turtle.

Who passed an edict law mandating every individual's choice concerning healthcare?

On top of the fact that this was rationalized by their subjective hubris and with NO pub votes.

Who does that? Authoritarian assholes.

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6 Re: Listen to this creep on 8/3/2017, 9:59 am

I don't think the word irony quite covers this latest ill-conceived  Trumpian proposal on immigration reform. 45's grandfather left Bavaria without permission to move to the US. He had not fulfilled his military obligation to that nation (sound familiar?) so when he pleaded with the government to be allowed to return and live in Bavaria his request was denied. He was forced to return to the US where he had made his fortune more or less in the "hospitality" industry. Read the short article to get a chuckle out of that reference.

This is just another shinny object to distract from the Russia story. Fortunately, Mueller is not distracted.

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7 Re: Listen to this creep on 8/3/2017, 10:23 am

othershoe1030 wrote:I don't think the word irony quite covers this latest ill-conceived  Trumpian proposal on immigration reform. 45's grandfather left Bavaria without permission to move to the US. He had not fulfilled his military obligation to that nation (sound familiar?) so when he pleaded with the government to be allowed to return and live in Bavaria his request was denied. He was forced to return to the US where he had made his fortune more or less in the "hospitality" industry. Read the short article to get a chuckle out of that reference.

This is just another shinny object to distract from the Russia story. Fortunately, Mueller is not distracted.


Love your newly adopted moniker btw . . . .

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8 Re: Listen to this creep on 8/3/2017, 10:39 am

knothead wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:I don't think the word irony quite covers this latest ill-conceived  Trumpian proposal on immigration reform. 45's grandfather left Bavaria without permission to move to the US. He had not fulfilled his military obligation to that nation (sound familiar?) so when he pleaded with the government to be allowed to return and live in Bavaria his request was denied. He was forced to return to the US where he had made his fortune more or less in the "hospitality" industry. Read the short article to get a chuckle out of that reference.

This is just another shinny object to distract from the Russia story. Fortunately, Mueller is not distracted.


Love your newly adopted moniker btw . . . .

Thanks. It is this CF in a nutshell!

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9 Re: Listen to this creep on 8/3/2017, 11:15 am

PkrBum wrote:
Who passed an edict law mandating every individual's choice concerning healthcare?

Nobody. When Obamacare came in it didn't change the healthcare I get from work a bit, other than the premiums going lower. In almost all cases, people still had a choice of doctors and health care plans.

On top of the fact that this was rationalized by their subjective hubris and with NO pub votes.

Who does that? Authoritarian assholes.

Have you watched the news on anything that's been passed (or at least attempted to pass lately? Have you noticed that almost all of Trump's "legislation" has been executive orders, and he's been bullying his own party to rubber-stamp everything he does or he'll threaten to primary 'em? He's basically trying to do away with all checks and balances and turn this into a one-branch government.

Since before he even got elected he was talking about overruling generals, being able to demand that troops torture ("and they'll do it because I say so" ) even though that would be a war crime and violate international law. He's tried to steamroll over courts to get bans passed. He's tried to wreck the electoral process (which is part of the reason he doesn't care that Russia monkeyed with our election -- he's planning to do the same thing). He's tried to discredit the intelligence community and the press so he'll be the sole source of information, empowering bullshit propaganda networks. Sean Hannity is basically his Tokyo Rose now. He's hamstrung federal agencies that are supposed to keep him in check. He's completely fucking the educational system and I'm witnessing that first-hand because I know a lot of college personnel -- war's basically been declared on the educational system. He's pulled America out of international agreements and tried to put himself above them all. He's tried to ban whole groups of people and shut down dissent by force.

He -- like a lot of his voters -- has strong opinions on things he doesn't know a goddamned thing about. Of course, a lot of his voters are natural-born bootlickers who WANT some authoritarian telling them what to do. That's been their comfort zone since they were babies in church.


Good lord, kid. You want to babble at me about authoritarianism, when you back-bend to support this jackal? Don't even try it unless you just like seeing me laugh.

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10 Re: Listen to this creep on 8/3/2017, 11:44 am


These people are white supremacists, including Miller, although he's Jewish...but then so is Jared, and Ivanka is a convert to Judaism. Is this alliance unlikely? I don't think so, considering the current leadership and policy of Netanyahu.

According to my reading, Bannon and Miller co-wrote Herr Drumpf's inauguration speech.

Of course, none of this would occur to someone who thinks Hitler's rise was a triumph of...socialism...because the word "socialist" appeared in the name of his party.

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11 Re: Listen to this creep on 8/3/2017, 1:04 pm

Trump undoing Obama's executive orders isn't "Have you noticed that almost all of Trump's "legislation" has been executive orders, and he's been bullying his own party to rubber-stamp everything he does or he'll threaten to primary 'em? He's basically trying to do away with all checks and balances and turn this into a one-branch government." try to maintain some semblance of objectivity please.

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12 Re: Listen to this creep on 8/3/2017, 1:24 pm

PkrBum wrote:Trump undoing Obama's executive orders isn't "Have you noticed that almost all of Trump's "legislation" has been executive orders, and he's been bullying his own party to rubber-stamp everything he does or he'll threaten to primary 'em? He's basically trying to do away with all checks and balances and turn this into a one-branch government." try to maintain some semblance of objectivity please.

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