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1 Bad storm last night on 7/20/2017, 11:45 am

Wow. 5 inches of rain. Huge wind damage. Power lines down throughout town. Neighbors a couple houses down had power line go down and start a fire in a wood pile they had. Wife called our volunteer fire chief who immediately went to the station and got the road blocked so nobody would go over wires.......whole town had wires down, yet Com Ed had 5k customers without power and will be working in town until 9pm tonight to get power restored. We only have four businesses in town, and three still have power but our gas station general store is out until 9pm.

We have branches and trees down all over the islands, but I have not been feeling well enough to run the bobcat, and will have to look at this Friday. Some buildings were blown off their foundations and their is a big barn fire about 15 miles away which started during the storm. Next will be flooding on the river and more damage to our roads. No injuries that we are aware of at this time, but thank goodness the rain was coming down so hard because it controlled the fire, otherwise the neighbors house would have burned and the fire chief told me it took two hours for com ed to kill that line and his firefighters would have been limited as to what they could do.

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2 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/20/2017, 11:56 am

River gauges show a four foot rise in the next 24 hours which means our causeways are going to be underwater and being damaged.  I can go back 110 years on historical high water on the river and you would get one of these every five years, and now we are getting them three times a year.  In the last 13 years we have had 8 of the 10 high water floods in 110 years.   Ice is falling off the size of the state of Delaware and fools still want to deny the science.  Hell, I just need to look at the river gauge for truth.

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3 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/20/2017, 12:16 pm

But of course the opposite is proof too with global warming hysteria... lol.

http://earthsky.org/earth/climate-change-shrinking-colorado-river

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4 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/20/2017, 12:22 pm

Hate that Seaoat

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5 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/20/2017, 12:38 pm

Hate that Seaoat


Wife just was out with the dog and by the time she came back to the house water was rising so fast that water started coming over causeway. You keep hearing about people out west who get killed on small streams when there was rain in the mountains. A family in Arizona just got wiped out and all they heard was the rush of the water. Historically the river could only come up 2 feet in 2 hours which is plenty of time to evacuate, but since 2010 we have had two 4 foot rises in 24 hours........very dangerous if it is sunny where you are at but storming in Wisconsin.

But of course the opposite is proof too with global warming hysteria... lol.


Wrong. Completely consistent with the scientists saying that weather would fluctuate to great extremes during the warming. At least feign you are actually reading science journals and not the propaganda.

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6 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/20/2017, 12:47 pm

It's you that doesn't look beyond the demagoguery headlines. I showed you recently the "methodology" used to erase the hiatus and start alerting and of these "hottest years ever" bs. But you obviously didn't read it. Sad really... it shows your level of conditioning.

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7 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/20/2017, 12:55 pm

99% of the scientific community says that global climate change is caused by man made carbon and that our weather systems and the oceans are going to change. I do not have to go any further than my back yard to see the Scientists who have argued that increased flooding and drought will impact the earth as the climate changes. You support President Trump's obstruction of the Russian investigation, and you argue that folks who align with scientific consensus are fools for not listening to you. You might want to reexamine your positions to be taken seriously.

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8 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/20/2017, 1:00 pm

PkrBum wrote:It's you that doesn't look beyond the demagoguery headlines. I showed you recently the "methodology" used to erase the hiatus and start alerting and of these "hottest years ever" bs. But you obviously didn't read it. Sad really... it shows your level of conditioning.

Dumbass ....

http://www.snopes.com/2017/02/08/noaa-scientists-climate-change-data/

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9 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/20/2017, 1:05 pm

Read the PDF link of this study... I mean really read. No person of any objectivity can stand by this "science" used to erase the hiatus... period.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/05/exclusive-study-finds-temperature-adjustments-account-for-nearly-all-of-the-warming-in-climate-data/

A new study found adjustments made to global surface temperature readings by scientists in recent years “are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data.”

“Thus, it is impossible to conclude from the three published [global average surface temperature (GAST)] data sets that recent years have been the warmest ever – despite current claims of record setting warming,” according to a study published June 27 by two scientists and a veteran statistician.

The peer-reviewed study tried to validate surface temperature datasets managed by NASA, NOAA and the UK’s Met Office, all of which make adjustments to raw thermometer readings. Skeptics of man-made global warming have criticized the adjustments.

Climate scientists often apply adjustments to surface temperature thermometers to account for “biases” in the data. The new study doesn’t question the adjustments themselves but notes adjustments has increased the warming trend in published temperature records over the years.

Basically, “cyclical pattern in the earlier reported data has very nearly been ‘adjusted’ out” of temperature readings taken from weather stations, buoys, ships and other sources.

More recent published versions surface temperature records cool past temperatures and warm more current temperatures, increasing the warming trend, according to the study’s authors. Over time newer versions of the temperature record show more warming than past ones.

“Nearly all of the warming they are now showing are in the adjustments,” Meteorologist Joe D’Aleo, a study co-author, told The Daily Caller News Foundation in an interview. “Each dataset pushed down the 1940s warming and pushed up the current warming.”

“You would think that when you make adjustments you’d sometimes get warming and sometimes get cooling. That’s almost never happened,” said D’Aleo, who co-authored the study with statistician James Wallace and Cato Institute climate scientist Craig Idso.

Their study found measurements “nearly always exhibited a steeper warming linear trend over its entire history,” which was “nearly always accomplished by systematically removing the previously existing cyclical temperature pattern.”

“The conclusive findings of this research are that the three [global average surface temperature] data sets are not a valid representation of reality,” the study found. “In fact, the magnitude of their historical data adjustments, that removed their cyclical temperature patterns, are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data.”

Based on these results, the study’s authors claim the science underpinning the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) authority to regulate greenhouse gases “is invalidated.”

The new study will be included in petitions by conservative groups to the EPA to reconsider the 2009 endangerment finding, which gave the agency its legal authority to regulate carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.

Sam Kazman, an attorney with the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), said the study added an “important new piece of evidence to this debate” over whether to reopen the endangerment finding. CEI petitioned EPA to reopen the endangerment finding in February.

“I think this adds a very strong new element to it,” Kazman told TheDCNF. “It’s enough reason to open things formally and open public comment on the charges we make.”

Since President Donald Trump ordered EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt to review the Clean Power Plan, there’s been speculation the administration would reopen the endangerment finding to new scrutiny.

The Obama-era document used three lines of evidence to claim such emissions from vehicles “endanger both the public health and the public welfare of current and future generations.”

D’Aleo and Wallace filed a petition with EPA on behalf of their group, the Concerned Household Electricity Consumers Council (CHECC). They relied on past their past research, which found one of EPA’s lines of evidence “simply does not exist in the real world.”

Their 2016 study “failed to find that the steadily rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations have had a statistically significant impact on any of the 13 critically important temperature time series data analyzed.”

“In sum, all three of the lines of evidence relied upon by EPA to attribute warming to human GHG emissions are invalid,” reads CHCC’s petition. “The Endangerment Finding itself is therefore invalid and should be reconsidered.

Pruitt’s largely been silent on whether or not he would reopen the endangerment finding, but the administrator did say he was spearheading a red team exercise to tackle climate science.

Secretary of Energy Rick Perry also came out in favor of red-blue team exercises, which are used by the military and intelligence agencies to expose any vulnerabilities to systems or strategies.

Environmental activists and climate scientists largely panned the idea, with some even arguing it would be “dangerous” to elevate minority scientific opinions.

“Such calls for special teams of investigators are not about honest scientific debate,” wrote climate scientist Ben Santer and Kerry Emanuel and historian and activist Naomi Oreskes.

“They are dangerous attempts to elevate the status of minority opinions, and to undercut the legitimacy, objectivity and transparency of existing climate science,” the three wrote in a recent Washington Post op-ed.

“Frankly, I think you could do a red-blue team exercise as part of reviewing the endangerment finding,” Kazman said.

Though Kazman did warn a red team exercise could be a double-edged sword if not done correctly. He worries some scientists not supportive of the idea could undermine the process from the inside and use it to grandstand.

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10 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/20/2017, 1:13 pm

Since 1996 my wife and I have had over a quarter of a million dollar losses based on floods and storm damage, and almost all of it was not covered by insurance. The forty five years before that, nobody in my family had a flood or storm loss. You have lost your mind, not adjusting your views on global climate change and President Trump's obstructions to the Russian investigation. Again nobody is going to read your propaganda, and nobody is going to listen to you tell us that the obstruction is no big deal, or that Hillary is a criminal. You lose credibility defending the indefensible.

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11 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/20/2017, 1:18 pm

PkrBum wrote:Read the PDF link of this study... I mean really read. No person of any objectivity can stand by this "science" used to erase the hiatus... period.

Dumbass ....

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/jul/10/conservatives-are-again-denying-the-very-existence-of-global-warming

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12 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/20/2017, 3:48 pm

Chit.....I had to get in the bobcat and move a large tree which was blocking a causeway road which if I did not get it in the next hour the flood waters would have me tear up the grass moving the tree. It will be a short trip before I am no longer able to do this.....so weak. I am going to have to ask the son in law and son out to teach them again how to operate some of this equipment. I let them run it about eight years ago, but they need to retouch the equipment and get familiar again. I hope it is just the heat and humidity, but I am so weak now. Hopefully, this flood will not cause too much damage. I am so tired of floods.

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13 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/21/2017, 6:54 pm

We utterly depend on NOAA flood gauges on four river systems which span the area. We can predict water levels on the islands out two or three days with remarkable consistency. However, there have been huge budget cuts in NOAA in part because of the war on science.

Well, I came as close to dying today as have in five years. I got up this morning and looked at the NOAA gauges and they showed a mild flood at 7am. I had to go to work for about 6 hours this morning and early afternoon, but when I returned at around 3pm the gauges showed Major flooding. I had asked my wife yesterday when all islands were accessible still if everything of value had been cabled down. Her answer was yes. A friend left a 6k machine trailer on our biggest island. He had come to the house yesterday and I took my laptop and showed him the NOAA gauges which over 13 years have been 95% accurate, and told him "don't worry this is a mild flood and your truck with the five inches of rain will tear up our roads. He goes ok. I see the major flood and asked my wife is she sure she cabled everything, and she answers NO.....I did not think the flood would be major so I did not cable Jim's trailer. We have lost equipment trailers in floods in the river and they disappear.

So now I have to drive the dump truck with water up to the engine compartment through some incredibly unstable roads and a cross flow, and then walk three quarters of a mile through flood water with my life preserver and get to his trailer and cable it to a tree. I am exhausted after I do this and the river is rapidly rising and I now have to go back through this floodwater, turn the truck around and hope it does not stall. I honestly almost gave up because this cancer is kicking my asz, but I realized if somebody in the fire department has to come out and rescue me, I have put their lives at risk. I take over 45 minutes to walk only 3/4 of a mile which I can walk in five minutes normally. The truck fires up and I go as slowly as I can into the deep water praying it does not stall and that old chevy 3500 makes it to the box culvert and I was able to make it to the mainland. I am done. I can hardly breath as the four lung tumors almost had me pass out in the flood water. When I got back......I quietly said to Mrs. Seaoat......I am not much in the mood for conversation. People get hurt when people do not follow through and second guess precautions.

Noaa is not manning the gauges and now anybody on a river system in America could get a six or seven foot river fluctuation which puts lives at risk. I am not particularly happy with Mrs. Seaoat this evening, but I am furious with politics interfering with science.

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14 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/21/2017, 10:10 pm

2seaoat wrote:We utterly depend on NOAA flood gauges on four river systems which span the area.   We can predict water levels on the islands out two or three days with remarkable consistency.  However, there have been huge budget cuts in NOAA in part because of the war on science.

Well, I came as close to dying today as have in five years.  I got up this morning and looked at the NOAA gauges and they showed a mild flood at 7am.  I had to go to work for about 6 hours this morning and early afternoon, but when I returned at around 3pm the gauges showed Major flooding.   I had asked my wife yesterday when all islands were accessible still if everything of value had been cabled down.  Her answer was yes.   A friend left a 6k machine trailer on our biggest island.   He had come to the house yesterday and I took my laptop and showed him the NOAA gauges which over 13 years have been 95% accurate, and told him "don't worry this is a mild flood and your truck with the five inches of rain will tear up our roads.   He goes ok.    I see the major flood and asked my wife is she sure she cabled everything, and she answers NO.....I did not think the flood would be major so I did not cable Jim's trailer.   We have lost equipment trailers in floods in the river and they disappear.

So now I have to drive the dump truck with water up to the engine compartment through some incredibly unstable roads and a cross flow, and then walk three quarters of a mile through flood water with my life preserver and get to his trailer and cable it to a tree.  I am exhausted after I do this and the river is rapidly rising and I now have to go back through this floodwater, turn the truck around and hope it does not stall.   I honestly almost gave up because this cancer is kicking my asz, but I realized if somebody in the fire department has to come out and rescue me, I have put their lives at risk.  I take over 45 minutes to walk only 3/4 of a mile which I can walk in five minutes normally.  The truck fires up and I go as slowly as I can into the deep water praying it does not stall and that old chevy 3500 makes it to the box culvert and I was able to make it to the mainland.  I am done.  I can hardly breath as the four lung tumors almost had me pass out in the flood water.   When I got back......I quietly said to Mrs. Seaoat......I am not much in the mood for conversation.  People get hurt when people do not follow through and second guess precautions.

Noaa is not manning the gauges and now anybody on a river system in America could get a six or seven foot river fluctuation which puts lives at risk.  I am not particularly happy with Mrs. Seaoat this evening, but I am furious with politics interfering with science.

Well sir you did survive so pick your battles and celebrate another day in the world Mr. Oats!

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15 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/21/2017, 10:25 pm

I never had a measure of my decline and weakness. I would have preferred none of this happened. The river always wins.

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16 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/23/2017, 9:09 am

What a nasty flood. It will be two weeks before we can return to the islands and the flood water is lapping up to my steel storage units. We will probably head to Pensacola next week sometime because there is no sense cutting the lawn which is three feet underwater. We are taking all the hydraulic hoses off the soil conditioner and taking them in for sizing and new hoses and attachment hardware. We will now spend a month with this chain driven toothed attachment which chews up the surface of the island where we over seed with grass seed because in the summer if your grass is underwater for 10 days or longer it rots. You can have a flood when the grass is dormant. No problem, but a July or August flood means that the grass will mostly die. If you do not get good grass coverage, the next flood will pick up the soil on the islands and create small hills and valleys of deposited soil and gouged out areas. We will have huge maples uprooted and blocking roads and causeways. We will have boat docks, boats, dead fish, and plastic barrels all over the islands from people upstream. Things we failed to cable will pop out of the water if in shallow water in August, or collect in the deep water. The river always wins.

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17 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/23/2017, 5:07 pm

Well we are now seeing the extent of damage. We have lost 300 bucks of lumber which we had stored on a high place which only a record flood could float it away. Although, not the highest flood, it will be a top 15 and we miscalculated and the lumber floated away. We will see how many picnic tables and we had just bought a couple of fire pits. Global climate change sucks......this will be one of the higher events in 110 years......I was a skeptic until 10 years ago, and then you just have to look at the wild fluctuations to see we are in deep trouble. I have talked to my wife and we are debating selling everything in Florida. Most of our property is between 8-13 feet from water levels.......our property could be worthless in thirty years. I feel like a person has to get in front of this and as much as I think Florida real estate prices will go up in the next five years as people retire, another 100 feet of elevation on a lake in Southern Alabama might be a better place. We are in deep trouble and like the frog in the boiling water, most are clueless.

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18 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/23/2017, 8:02 pm

This will be happening with more frequency all over America. Again, we are the frogs in the boiling water.

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19 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/23/2017, 8:22 pm

Oh wow.... .

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20 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/23/2017, 8:24 pm

Did the toilet survive?

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21 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/23/2017, 8:57 pm

Did the toilet survive?

We do not know yet. It will probably be next Friday before we can get a look. It had two concrete blocks at its base which weigh 3k pounds and are 6 x 2. The have a lift ring which we cabled to the 2 x6 treated lumber understructure walls which we showed photos. The question will be whether the waste tanks acted as floats and tipped the entire structure over. We feel pretty comfortable with our design criteria, but the force of this river takes 3' diameter trees down, so we are hoping the massive build up around the box culverts will slow the current. We will see. This flooding will last three weeks. We will have massive reseeding and probably 40 hours of machine time to reestablish the grass which stops flood erosion. We are very tired, but the joy we get from the natural environment far outweighs setbacks.

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22 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/23/2017, 9:31 pm

Discouraging....you and Mrs. Oatie worked so hard.

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23 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/23/2017, 10:11 pm

Discouraging....you and Mrs. Oatie worked so hard.


Chit happens. We feel confident in our design, but floods can get very scary with the force of water. I have weakened, but this type of work has kept me alive. I still do ok on the Bobcat and lawnmower. Walking and picking things up....not so much.

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24 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/23/2017, 10:28 pm

2seaoat wrote:Discouraging....you and Mrs. Oatie worked so hard.


Chit happens.  We feel confident in our design, but floods can get very scary with the force of water.  I have weakened, but this type of work has kept me alive.  I still do ok on the Bobcat and lawnmower.  Walking and picking things up....not so much.

I can understand that....be careful with too much bouncing on the riding equipment.

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25 Re: Bad storm last night on 7/25/2017, 2:48 am

Sad cries from the flooded river today. Animals try to grab onto logs and other flood debris. We think the groundhogs have all been wiped out. My wife saw a poor racoon crying trapped on a floating maple tree. It cried for about an hour scared to death when she saw it try to swim to shore and get swept away. They never had a chance. The squirrels made it to the trees, but I think other animals just got trapped.

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