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A thought about time, generations, and politics

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I was thinking about time today. A bit abstract, but the holidays make me think about the past. I was thinking about my grandmother who was born in 1899 in Opelika Alabama whose father was a butcher and owned his own store and some rental properties. He was born in the 1870s, and his parents were born just over the state border in Georgia in the early 1850s. That event was 100 years before my birth.

Now I was born in 1951, my children in the early 80s, and my grandchildren since 2010.

With a scale of time how have humans changed our social Mores and Folkways, I can say that my grandparent's grandparents lived when people were enslaved. My grandparents and mother lived in the Jim Crow South. I lived in the transition years from Jim Crow to equal protection for former slaves, and my children lived in the times where women under title 9 were given equal opportunity, and now my grandchildren are in a world where men and women have the liberty to choose their life partners.

We act surprised that despite the incredible boorish stupidity of President Trump, still about 38% of Americans support his racist agenda which basically rejects the changes in our social mores and folkways. It was not a hidden agenda. It was make America great again, which was code for taking people back when gays were ostracized, women were suppose to be inferior to men, and people of color were not equal to white people in any regard.

If people think simply getting rid of President Trump will change the backlash with the pace of change in less than a hundred and fifty years, I think they do not understand the code which is implanted in each of our brains as children withing the structure of the folkways and mores of our childhood. Simply put, not enough time has passed, and with MSNBC spending hour after hour to the run up of the Presidential election talking about gay marriage and bathroom equality, I think there was a terrible miscalculation that although my children are completely cool with sexual choice, two generations were born with a stigma attached to the same. President Trump exploited that back lash, and it will not be an easy battle, and yes.....people do not want to talk about this, but we may go backward for a generation after this vomit has been spewed among the children who will attack a muslim child, or gay child with less societal pressure to do what is right. This ultimately will be the damage of the Trump Presidency, the stealing of precious time to take this nation backward. That time will not be recaptured, but the worse thing is that after slavery was defeated the backlash of Jim Crow started with instilling fear, and drawing upon the generational pool who was not going to change. These are terrible times in American history, and we are facing an evil which is far deeper than simply President Trump being evil.......he is simply the piped piper, because the rats are still here.

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It is remarkable how quickly things change. From what I've heard the Millennial generation largely does not give a second thought to things that used to upset some people like marriage equality, interracial marriage, equal pay and so on.

I think leadership does matter. More people than I care to admit are willing to be led. They seem incapable of evaluating information, pondering consequences or considering the morality of actions.

It is distressing to see what has been apparently hiding under all the rocks now that our leader expresses all sorts of off the cuff nonsense. He has given the rock dwellers permission to speak and act on things they were ashamed to express before he came on the scene. I know his leaving office will not cure the country and his election has given us all a look into many of our dark corners; but just as the spate of killings by police of unarmed black men brought that problem to our attention, now so has the president's example shined a light on other things that need to be dealt with.

This could be a good opportunity for some national reflection on just who we want to be as a nation. It will not be easy. Better leadership is needed to guide us on a more enlightened track. We have to get ourselves straightened out or else we will lose more than civil public discourse.  

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You said in many words what I have said previously in few.  We are blessed to live in a time where we are on a revolutionary precipice.  Amazing sight.  It separate and defines.  

May we bring compassion, love, understanding, forbearance, and patience as we travel forward.

President Trump and his entourage are holding as hard as they can to elitism. It will fail...eventually.

Within that same American experience is an incredible changing world experience. Under Armor sponsored a tour by Tom Brady of the far east. It was incredible to see the changes in Chinese and Japanese society in the last 150 years. The genius of the American constitution as a portal for personal freedom and liberty has been the catalyst for explosive change around the world.

This march to modernity has been met with backlash in every society on the globe. Much of what we are now experiencing is happening in Europe. ISIS is a reaction to modernity. The KKK was a reaction to modernity. The forces of modernity when framed in the American experience are a very powerful force for change, but the backlash, and the attempts to put the genie back in the bottle are just part of history. My grandmother was raised in the horse and buggy era, and when she died we were experiencing a world wide technological revolution. We often do not understand the reluctance of people to abandon the past. There is a clear history of this resistance throughout history. It is so much more than President Trump, but the damage this man can do taking us backwards is very real.

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2seaoat wrote:   The genius of the American constitution as a portal for personal freedom and liberty has been the catalyst for explosive change around the world.

"The genius of the American constitution" has produced the same Military-Industrial Complex you rave about at least once a day.

As far as being a "portal for personal freedom" how do you explain Article Four, Section 2:

No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.

AKA "The Fugitive Slave clause"

I also suspect that the country's original inhabitants didn't much appreciate the "American Experience" either.

Your "personal freedom" was limited to white males of means. If you were an indentured servant or a woman--very nearly the same thing--or a slave or an Indian, the situation was vastly different.

The Fugitive Slave clause was never repealed, by the way. It was rendered moot by the 13th Amendment.

Let's not completely lose perspective here.

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Let's not completely lose perspective here.


Not Losing perspective is exactly the point of this thread.  Change which seems right to one person may represent something which is not right to another who was raised with social mores and folkways which were ingrained into them as children.   The arab spring was the battle of modernity, and the framework and genius of the constitution is that it provides a method for liberty and freedom, even when the social mores and folkways at the time reject the same.   President Trump in reality is fighting a battle against modernity framed with mental instability and a crass agenda where people of color, women, and those of the Muslim faith should not be afforded the same opportunity in America.   So in essence, modernity requires much of that perspective of a child. which must evolve and often must be abandoned on the alter of modernity.

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2seaoat wrote:Let's not completely lose perspective here.


Not Losing perspective is exactly the point of this thread.  Change which seems right to one person may represent something which is not right to another who was raised with social mores and folkways which were ingrained into them as children.   The arab spring was the battle of modernity, and the framework and genius of the constitution is that it provides a method for liberty and freedom, even when the social mores and folkways at the time reject the same.   President Trump in reality is fighting a battle against modernity framed with mental instability and a crass agenda where people of color, women, and those of the Muslim faith should not be afforded the same opportunity in America.   So in essence, modernity requires much of that perspective of a child. which must evolve and often must be abandoned on the alter of modernity.

Amazing! Astonishing! Absolutely mind-boggling! You have managed to string together 143 words, arranged in sentences in a paragraph, with NO MEANING WHATSOEVER! Really, this is an amazing bit of writing.

If you had a blind-folded monkey hurl 143 darts at a dictionary and then used those words to make sentences, you could not arrange them in such a fashion that they were as meaning-free as your post. That's quite the achievement there, Seaoat.

Let's take one sentence for an example: "The arab spring was the battle of modernity, and the framework and genius of the constitution is that it provides a method for liberty and freedom, even when the social mores and folkways at the time reject the same."

WTF does THAT mean? What on earth does the Arab spring have to do with the United States Constitution? How does the Constitution provide a method for liberty and freedom in the Arab spring? These "morals and folkways" you speak of, where are they? Are they in the Arab nations during the Arab spring or in America in during the writing of the Constitution?

Face palm! Gob-smacked, slack-jawed and agape! The mind reels.

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