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1 Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/1/2017, 8:10 am


[/b]Consider: If the president of the United States of America considers truth to be irrelevant, what happens to his credibility -- here and overseas?

Clearly, the republicans are unable to govern, what's left but to attack the media?

Reality counts.[/b]





http://www.salon.com/2017/06/30/attacking-the-media-is-the-only-thing-conservatives-have-left/[b]

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CNN:

Just a few weeks after Trump transition team official Anthony Scaramucci wrote a piece on CNN calling the Russia controversy an “anti-Trump witch hunt,” he found himself embroiled right in the middle of it. CNN later published a now retracted article tying Scaramucci to a Russian investment fund under a Congressional investigation. The retraction occurred after CNN realized it could not vouch for the claims made based on anonymous sourcing, forcing the three journalists responsible for the article’s release to resign.

The resignations come on the heels of CNN firing hosts Kathy Griffin and Reza Aslan for anti-Trump stunts and tirades of their own, betraying the impartiality of the network.

The recent release of a Project Veritas undercover video showing a CNN producer calling the Russia-Trump probe “mostly bullshit,” and admitting that Trump is correct to call the probe a “witch hunt,” sends what’s left of CNN’s credibility into a nosedive.

The Washington Post:

Seduced with the Russian narrative, on Dec. 30, The Post published a story that claimed “Russian hackers penetrated U.S. electricity grid.” Turns out the the story was completely false, after an investigation officials determined the “Russian hacking” was malware found on one laptop triggered by an employee checking his Yahoo email. The malware had no connections to Russia or Russian hackers at all. Days later The Post was forced to issue a new article correcting their original story.

That same month, The Post reported on a story sourced from CrowdStrike, a firm hired by the Democratic National Committee to investigate the hack of their email servers. Their findings concluded that there was link “between the group that hacked the Democratic National Committee and Russia’s military intelligence arm.” By March, CrowdStrike was forced to revise and retract the statements made about Russian hacking following a report released showing they “misrepresented data.” The Post has yet to revise or append their original report.

Prior to former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before Congress on June 7, President Trump claimed that Comey told him three times he was not, personally, under investigation. The Post reported that “people familiar with the matter” said that Trump’s claims were “inaccurate.” Comey’s Congressional testimony vindicated the president, affirming that he was told three times that he was not under investigation. The Post has yet to correct the record.

In perhaps the Post’s most desperate bit of “fake news” was the report of a “Russian propaganda campaign” by websites that were critical of American foreign policy deemed not aggressive enough on Russia. On the list of Russian propagandists were sites like Drudge Report, Wikileaks, along with sites on the left critical of Hillary Clinton.

The Post cited a report by an anonymous group of researchers called “PropOrNot,” whose credentials are “impossible” to verify. PropOrNot’s “research” began to crumble when skeptical media outlets began to question their credibility, leading to many of the organizations PropOrNot listed as “allies” on their website to deny any affiliation to the group. Buzzfeed reporter Sheera Frankel refused to report on the groups research, tweeting “a lot of reporters passed on this story.” The Post later added an editors note saying that they “do not vouch” for the study’s findings, but kept the article up regardless.

The New York Times:

James Comey’s June testimony before Congress laid to rest dubious reporting in the media that Trump himself was under investigation for colluding with Russia to win the November election. A sitting president cannot be indicted, prosecuted, or tired while in office, he must first be impeached, removed from office and them criminally prosecuted. Never was there an investigation into to president himself, criminal or otherwise.

In January, the Times reported on the FBI’s “counterintelligence” investigation into the members of the Trump transition team. In the Times piece, the purpose of a counterintelligence investigation is relayed to the reader, as it differs greatly from a criminal investigation. The author explains the lower “legal standard” for opening a counterintelligence investigation involving relationships between American citizens and foreign governments.

After James Comey’s March testimony, confirming the counterintelligence investigation, the Times deceptively reported that “Mr. Comey placed a criminal investigation at the doorstep of the White House,” and that they will “pursue it ‘no matter how long it takes.'” Whether the Times intended to conflate the counterintelligence investigation with a criminal investigation is hard to know, but the headline claiming the FBI is “investigating Trump’s Russia ties” is misleading at best. The New York Times has yet to issue an explanation or correction.

Following the Times’ lead, Slate, The Atlantic, Huffington Post, America Blog, and The Government Executive, ran similar headlines and/or included explicit references, incorrectly, to Donald Trump being under investigation by the FBI.

On Thursday, the Times issued a correction for an article published on June 25 that incorrectly stated all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies agreed that Russia “orchestrated” cyberattacks in an effort to get Trump elected. In the Times correction, they reduce the number from 17 to only three intelligence agencies in agreement, “the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency.”

Buzzfeed:

How can anyone forget the now infamous Russian dossier that was released by Buzzfeed on January 10, mentioning the “potentially unverifiable” and graphic “sexual acts” the Russians allege were committed by Donald Trump in an effort to compromise him. The dossier contained “salacious and unverifiable” information of then President-elect Donald Trump, as well as unverifiable claims that the Trump campaign worked with the Russians to hack the DNC and John Podesta’s emails.

Despite many media outlets possessing the dossier long before Buzzfeed’s report – CNN had previously reported on it’s existence – it was never released because it could not be properly verified. Buzzfeed released the dossier anyway sparking a media flurry of unverified Trump-Russia collusion allegations.

The hysteria and misinformation surrounding the Trump-Russia probe in the establishment media has at the very least numbed the American public to any new revelations the Russia investigation may recover, and harmed their overall credibility elsewhere moving forward.

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3 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/1/2017, 11:18 am

PkrBum wrote:http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/30/all-the-fake-news-thats-fit-to-print-media-missteps-in-the-trump-era/

CNN:

Just a few weeks after Trump transition team official Anthony Scaramucci wrote a piece on CNN calling the Russia controversy an “anti-Trump witch hunt,” he found himself embroiled right in the middle of it. CNN later published a now retracted article tying Scaramucci to a Russian investment fund under a Congressional investigation. The retraction occurred after CNN realized it could not vouch for the claims made based on anonymous sourcing, forcing the three journalists responsible for the article’s release to resign.

The resignations come on the heels of CNN firing hosts Kathy Griffin and Reza Aslan for anti-Trump stunts and tirades of their own, betraying the impartiality of the network.

The recent release of a Project Veritas undercover video showing a CNN producer calling the Russia-Trump probe “mostly bullshit,” and admitting that Trump is correct to call the probe a “witch hunt,” sends what’s left of CNN’s credibility into a nosedive.

The Washington Post:

Seduced with the Russian narrative, on Dec. 30, The Post published a story that claimed “Russian hackers penetrated U.S. electricity grid.” Turns out the the story was completely false, after an investigation officials determined the “Russian hacking” was malware found on one laptop triggered by an employee checking his Yahoo email. The malware had no connections to Russia or Russian hackers at all. Days later The Post was forced to issue a new article correcting their original story.

That same month, The Post reported on a story sourced from CrowdStrike, a firm hired by the Democratic National Committee to investigate the hack of their email servers. Their findings concluded that there was link “between the group that hacked the Democratic National Committee and Russia’s military intelligence arm.” By March, CrowdStrike was forced to revise and retract the statements made about Russian hacking following a report released showing they “misrepresented data.” The Post has yet to revise or append their original report.

Prior to former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before Congress on June 7, President Trump claimed that Comey told him three times he was not, personally, under investigation. The Post reported that “people familiar with the matter” said that Trump’s claims were “inaccurate.” Comey’s Congressional testimony vindicated the president, affirming that he was told three times that he was not under investigation. The Post has yet to correct the record.

In perhaps the Post’s most desperate bit of “fake news” was the report of a “Russian propaganda campaign” by websites that were critical of American foreign policy deemed not aggressive enough on Russia. On the list of Russian propagandists were sites like Drudge Report, Wikileaks, along with sites on the left critical of Hillary Clinton.

The Post cited a report by an anonymous group of researchers called “PropOrNot,” whose credentials are “impossible” to verify. PropOrNot’s “research” began to crumble when skeptical media outlets began to question their credibility, leading to many of the organizations PropOrNot listed as “allies” on their website to deny any affiliation to the group. Buzzfeed reporter Sheera Frankel refused to report on the groups research, tweeting “a lot of reporters passed on this story.” The Post later added an editors note saying that they “do not vouch” for the study’s findings, but kept the article up regardless.

The New York Times:

James Comey’s June testimony before Congress laid to rest dubious reporting in the media that Trump himself was under investigation for colluding with Russia to win the November election. A sitting president cannot be indicted, prosecuted, or tired while in office, he must first be impeached, removed from office and them criminally prosecuted. Never was there an investigation into to president himself, criminal or otherwise.

In January, the Times reported on the FBI’s “counterintelligence” investigation into the members of the Trump transition team. In the Times piece, the purpose of a counterintelligence investigation is relayed to the reader, as it differs greatly from a criminal investigation. The author explains the lower “legal standard” for opening a counterintelligence investigation involving relationships between American citizens and foreign governments.

After James Comey’s March testimony, confirming the counterintelligence investigation, the Times deceptively reported that “Mr. Comey placed a criminal investigation at the doorstep of the White House,” and that they will “pursue it ‘no matter how long it takes.'” Whether the Times intended to conflate the counterintelligence investigation with a criminal investigation is hard to know, but the headline claiming the FBI is “investigating Trump’s Russia ties” is misleading at best. The New York Times has yet to issue an explanation or correction.

Following the Times’ lead, Slate, The Atlantic, Huffington Post, America Blog, and The Government Executive, ran similar headlines and/or included explicit references, incorrectly, to Donald Trump being under investigation by the FBI.

On Thursday, the Times issued a correction for an article published on June 25 that incorrectly stated all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies agreed that Russia “orchestrated” cyberattacks in an effort to get Trump elected. In the Times correction, they reduce the number from 17 to only three intelligence agencies in agreement, “the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency.”

Buzzfeed:

How can anyone forget the now infamous Russian dossier that was released by Buzzfeed on January 10, mentioning the “potentially unverifiable” and graphic “sexual acts” the Russians allege were committed by Donald Trump in an effort to compromise him. The dossier contained “salacious and unverifiable” information of then President-elect Donald Trump, as well as unverifiable claims that the Trump campaign worked with the Russians to hack the DNC and John Podesta’s emails.

Despite many media outlets possessing the dossier long before Buzzfeed’s report – CNN had previously reported on it’s existence – it was never released because it could not be properly verified. Buzzfeed released the dossier anyway sparking a media flurry of unverified Trump-Russia collusion allegations.

The hysteria and misinformation surrounding the Trump-Russia probe in the establishment media has at the very least numbed the American public to any new revelations the Russia investigation may recover, and harmed their overall credibility elsewhere moving forward.



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4 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/1/2017, 11:50 am

MANY MUCH OUT LOUD LAUGHINGS!

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That's easier than the objective reality that the media fed you false narratives.

The govt might need to set up clinics to help leftists recover from this... like cult reprogramming.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_RUSSIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-30-17-32-29

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PkrBum wrote:That's easier than the objective reality that the media fed you false narratives.

The govt might need to set up clinics to help leftists recover from this... like cult reprogramming.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_RUSSIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-30-17-32-29

WASHINGTON (AP) -- In stories published April 6, June 2, June 26 and June 29, The Associated Press reported that all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies have agreed that Russia tried to influence the 2016 election to benefit Donald Trump. That assessment was based on information collected by three agencies - the FBI, CIA and National Security Agency - and published by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which represents all U.S. intelligence agencies. Not all 17 intelligence agencies were involved in reaching the assessment.

Okay, so it was ONLY the FBI, CIA and NSA that collected the data. I feel so much better now. Listen, my money is on Mueller's investigation. Time will tell.

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othershoe1030 wrote:
PkrBum wrote:That's easier than the objective reality that the media fed you false narratives.

The govt might need to set up clinics to help leftists recover from this... like cult reprogramming.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_RUSSIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-30-17-32-29

WASHINGTON (AP) -- In stories published April 6, June 2, June 26 and June 29, The Associated Press reported that all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies have agreed that Russia tried to influence the 2016 election to benefit Donald Trump. That assessment was based on information collected by three agencies - the FBI, CIA and National Security Agency - and published by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which represents all U.S. intelligence agencies. Not all 17 intelligence agencies were involved in reaching the assessment.

Okay, so it was ONLY the FBI, CIA and NSA that collected the data. I feel so much better now. Listen, my money is on Mueller's investigation. Time will tell.


The following link is about the guy that wrote PkrBoy's post--we know someone else had to write it because he's too stupid to write his own words. [Imagine that!]:

http://modernliberals.com/actually-people-want-us-live-1788-thats-dumb/

Answer me this: Why are Reich-wing racists always so damn dumb?

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othershoe1030 wrote:
PkrBum wrote:That's easier than the objective reality that the media fed you false narratives.

The govt might need to set up clinics to help leftists recover from this... like cult reprogramming.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_RUSSIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-06-30-17-32-29

WASHINGTON (AP) -- In stories published April 6, June 2, June 26 and June 29, The Associated Press reported that all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies have agreed that Russia tried to influence the 2016 election to benefit Donald Trump. That assessment was based on information collected by three agencies - the FBI, CIA and National Security Agency - and published by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which represents all U.S. intelligence agencies. Not all 17 intelligence agencies were involved in reaching the assessment.

Okay, so it was ONLY the FBI, CIA and NSA that collected the data. I feel so much better now. Listen, my money is on Mueller's investigation. Time will tell.


The following link is about the guy that wrote PkrBoy's post--we know someone else had to write it because he's too stupid to write his own words. [Imagine that!]:

http://modernliberals.com/actually-people-want-us-live-1788-thats-dumb/

Answer me this: Why are Reich-wing racists always so damn dumb?

Back in the day the conservatives had folks like William F. Buckley who could at least explain what they were about. These days a large portion of the right seems proud to be "anti-intellectual" and anti-fact. It is a difficult place to make a believable argument from.

As for the Constitution there is a lot more there than meets the casual observer. People study it for years on campuses all over the country and we still have to have a Supreme Court to settle what it covers and even that changes over time. This brings to mind that one the one hand the Right has its anti-intellectual bent and on the other they are willing to show up at dawn with pistols at 20 paces to defend some harebrained idea they just know the Constitution stands for. It's crazy.

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9 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/1/2017, 10:09 pm

othershoe1030 wrote: It's crazy.

By George, she's got it!

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10 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/2/2017, 1:31 am

othershoe1030 wrote:Back in the day the conservatives had folks like William F. Buckley who could at least explain what they were about. These days a large portion of the right seems proud to be "anti-intellectual" and anti-fact. It is a difficult place to make a believable argument from.

Understatement of the century.

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11 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/2/2017, 6:12 am

Trump tries extortion to force Morning Joe to applaud him on his TV show."

Pkrbum says it's a failure of the left.

Stupid is as Stupid does ..." Forest Gump.

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12 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/2/2017, 11:49 am

Could you please call that a "matter". Thaaaaanks.

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13 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/2/2017, 2:48 pm

No US president before has called the press the enemy of the people. Dictators have said that, but no US president.

Just to reset, Trump's latest version of the Russia story is "Obama is a very bad person for letting me get elected."

 You're listening to donaldtrump like Germans listened to Hitler. The media is not lying to you, however, Trump & @FoxNews are.

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14 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/2/2017, 2:57 pm

When Judge Napolitano was suspended by Fox News over his GCHQ story, that Trump then used in a televised press conference, the judge didn't resign and wasn't fired by the Murdoch's.

You didn't hear a peep out of Trump or his PR flacks either afterwards.

Why didn't Trump call Fox and the judge, "fake news?"

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15 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/2/2017, 3:38 pm

polecat wrote:No US president before has called the press the enemy of the people. Dictators have said that, but no US president.

Just to reset, Trump's latest version of the Russia story is "Obama is a very bad person for letting me get elected."

 You're listening to donaldtrump like Germans listened to Hitler. The media is not lying to you, however, Trump & @FoxNews are.

Bingo!

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16 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/2/2017, 7:29 pm

polecat wrote:No US president before has called the press the enemy of the people. Dictators have said that, but no US president.

Just to reset, Trump's latest version of the Russia story is "Obama is a very bad person for letting me get elected."

 You're listening to donaldtrump like Germans listened to Hitler. The media is not lying to you, however, Trump & @FoxNews are.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-woodrow-wilsons-propaganda-machine-changed-american-journalism-180963082/

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17 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/2/2017, 8:49 pm

We live in dangerous times. Non of this is funny anymore. The Russians are perfecting portals into our systems, and Richard Clarke on the Bill Maher show has said it is extremely dangerous times. The Russians have compromised our entire political system, where patriots and courage have been replaced by racism and cowardice.

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18 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/3/2017, 4:04 am

Richard Clarke is a fear-mongering, right-wing whack-job. He's been pedaling his the-sky-is-falling Chicken Little song-and-dance since the Clinton administration. No serious student of cyber affairs takes him seriously.

Here's Wired magazine's take on him:

A former top counter-terrorism advisor under President Clinton, who later served as President Bush's cybersecurity czar, Richard Clarke has been sounding the alarm on cyberwar for more than a decade, rarely letting up, even through two real wars and one massive domestic terrorist attack. Now Chairman of Good Harbor Consulting, Clarke is going full-out Jerry Bruckheimer in an effort to get America to take seriously what he clearly sees as a (perennially) looming existential threat to the nation.

t's not just Clarke's 15-minutes-to-doomsday scenario that stretches credulity. Like most cyberwar pundits, Clarke puts a shine on his fear mongering by regurgitating long-ago debunked hacker horror stories. In his world, the Blaster worm was partially responsible for the Northeast blackout of 2003 – the Energy Department concluded otherwise. A power outage in Brazil is similarly attributed to a hacker, when the real-life evidence points to sooty insulators. Clarke describes the Russian denial-of-service attacks against Estonian servers in 2007 as the "largest ever seen" (not even close).

So much of Clarke's evidence is either easily debunked with a Google search, or so defies common sense, that you'd think reviewers of the book would dismiss it outright.

https://www.wired.com/2010/04/cyberwar-richard-clarke/

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19 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/3/2017, 2:13 pm

PkrBum wrote:
polecat wrote:No US president before has called the press the enemy of the people. Dictators have said that, but no US president.

Just to reset, Trump's latest version of the Russia story is "Obama is a very bad person for letting me get elected."

 You're listening to donaldtrump like Germans listened to Hitler. The media is not lying to you, however, Trump & @FoxNews are.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-woodrow-wilsons-propaganda-machine-changed-american-journalism-180963082/

Every administration pushes into the public eye events that it uses to mold public opinion. Given that we are not living in a dictatorship, public policy is supposed to follow public support. That support has to be developed. A couple of examples: the well overblown explosion of the battleship Maine in 1898 that pushed us into war with Spain and the Gulf of Tonkin incident that swayed public opinion into escalating in Viet Nam.

What Trump is doing is a quantum leap above this sort of manipulation. He is not using the press, unless you consider Twitter to be the press, to merely sway opinions or to gather support for republican programs.

He is undermining the very institution protected specifically in the First Amendment and established as the "watchdog" over the government. He is undermining the very concept of facts and objective reality.

It would sound much more significant if this attack on the free press were framed as such and not just as an attack "on the media". To me that sounds like, well, media...Disney and maybe a cable network here and there. As it is, it is an attack on investigative journalism.

Using the press to form public opinion is one thing. To destroy the public's confidence in the entire institution of it is something else entirely.

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20 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/3/2017, 4:18 pm

othershoe1030 wrote: A couple of examples: the well overblown explosion of the battleship Maine in 1898 that pushed us into war with Spain and the Gulf of Tonkin incident that swayed public opinion into escalating in Viet Nam.

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My memory is failing me in my dotage, help me out here. Wasn't there some other unpleasantness over in the Middle-east very early in the 21st Century? There was some controversy about dubious intelligence or something, wasn't there?

But, hey, you gotta love that WWI graphic style, no?

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21 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/3/2017, 4:20 pm

PkrBum wrote:
polecat wrote:No US president before has called the press the enemy of the people. Dictators have said that, but no US president.

Just to reset, Trump's latest version of the Russia story is "Obama is a very bad person for letting me get elected."

 You're listening to donaldtrump like Germans listened to Hitler. The media is not lying to you, however, Trump & @FoxNews are.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-woodrow-wilsons-propaganda-machine-changed-american-journalism-180963082/

So if Woodrow Wilson lied it's okay for Trump to. Right?

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22 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/7/2017, 12:20 pm

I’m guessing “director of the Office of Government Ethics” will be a post Trump leaves vacant for a long, long time. David Frum

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23 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/7/2017, 1:32 pm

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
polecat wrote:No US president before has called the press the enemy of the people. Dictators have said that, but no US president.

Just to reset, Trump's latest version of the Russia story is "Obama is a very bad person for letting me get elected."

 You're listening to donaldtrump like Germans listened to Hitler. The media is not lying to you, however, Trump & @FoxNews are.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-woodrow-wilsons-propaganda-machine-changed-american-journalism-180963082/

So if Woodrow Wilson lied it's okay for Trump to.  Right?

Read the post i quoted. People just don't know history anymore. It's convenient for revisionists. Several others had issues w the press too... FDR, Nixon... etc. It was a parroted talkingpoint.

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24 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/7/2017, 3:27 pm

Yes Andrew Jackson was pissed off when the Civil War began

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25 Re: Trump: "Reality is irrelevant." on 7/7/2017, 3:36 pm

I've posted this before and I will keep on posting it

A free Press isn't the enemy of Americans

It's the enemy of tyrants

By design

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