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1 Trump's Lies on 6/25/2017, 6:14 pm

Many Americans have become accustomed to President Trump’s lies. But as regular as they have become, the country should not allow itself to become numb to them. So we have catalogued nearly every outright lie he has told publicly since taking the oath of office.

This is just what the NYT's documented during January. The rest of the list follows at the link.

JAN. 21 “I wasn't a fan of Iraq. I didn't want to go into Iraq.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.)JAN. 21 “A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.” (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.)JAN. 23 “Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose the popular vote.” (There's no evidence of illegal voting.)JAN. 25 “Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.” (Official aerial photos show Obama's 2009 inauguration was much more heavily attended.)JAN. 25 “Take a look at the Pew reports (which show voter fraud.)” (The report never mentioned voter fraud.)JAN. 25 “You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore.” (The real number is less than 1 million, according to the Urban Institute.)JAN. 25 “So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can't have that.” (There were no gun homicide victims in Chicago that day.)JAN. 26 “We've taken in tens of thousands of people. We know nothing about them. They can say they vet them. They didn't vet them. They have no papers. How can you vet somebody when you don't know anything about them and you have no papers? How do you vet them? You can't.” (Vetting lasts up to two years.)JAN. 26 “I cut off hundreds of millions of dollars off one particular plane, hundreds of millions of dollars in a short period of time. It wasn't like I spent, like, weeks, hours, less than hours, and many, many hundreds of millions of dollars. And the plane's going to be better.” (Most of the cuts were already planned.)JAN. 28 “The coverage about me in the @nytimes and the @washingtonpost has been so false and angry that the Times actually apologized to its dwindling subscribers and readers.” (It never apologized.)JAN. 29 “The Cuban-Americans, I got 84 percent of that vote.” (There is no support for this.)JAN. 30 “Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning. Big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer outage.” (At least 746 people were detained and processed, and the Delta outage happened two days later.)


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

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3 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/25/2017, 11:11 pm


Irrelevant! Obama's not the President, TRUMP IS!

More fake talkingpoints from the right...   lol

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4 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/25/2017, 11:16 pm

othershoe1030 wrote:
This is just what the NYT's documented during January. The rest of the list follows at the link.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

You should post the whole damn story--all ten pages of it--that's what PkrBoy does, posts page after page of stuff about Obama. He's too hillbilly stupid to realize that ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

One of those consequences is that the new guy gets to sit on the hot stove!

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5 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/26/2017, 9:23 am

The dangerous thing is how normalized this is getting. And how people are accepting it.

Obama once said "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor," which wasn't even a lie, it was just incorrect... and even then, only in a small percentage of cases. And yet years later it's still the first thing out of the mouths of people who completely dismiss Trump's lying... and he tells ten lies bigger than that every day.

Trump is just overwhelming the country with gack. There's so much of it everybody's exhausted trying to keep up, so we all just shrug and say, "Yeah, the president just announced that he's actually a robot that can turn into a helicopter, whattayagonnado." He does it so much that people just accept it from him... he's held to a different standard than not only other presidents, but other adults. It's surreal.

Someday he's going to need the country to actually believe him about something important, and he won't be able to, because he's burned his credibility to the waterline. This is a mentally ill president, and people are still in denial about that. And eventually it's going to bite us in the ass.

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6 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/26/2017, 9:59 am

Wait'll you read this:

President Trump on Monday said President Obama took no action against Russia for its actions in the 2016 election because he expected Hillary Clinton to win.

Trump concluded that Obama had not "choked" in taking no action against Russia, as a senior administration official told The Washington Post. Instead, Trump said Obama had "colluded" or "obstructed."

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/339443-trump-obama-colluded-or-obstructed-in-2016-election



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7 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/26/2017, 10:21 am

zsomething wrote:The dangerous thing is how normalized this is getting.  And how people are accepting it.

Obama once said "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor," which wasn't even a lie, it was just incorrect... and even then, only in a small percentage of cases.  And yet years later it's still the first thing out of the mouths of people who completely dismiss Trump's lying... and he tells ten lies bigger than that every day.

Trump is just overwhelming the country with gack.  There's so much of it everybody's exhausted trying to keep up, so we all just shrug and say, "Yeah, the president just announced that he's actually a robot that can turn into a helicopter, whattayagonnado."   He does it so much that people just accept it from him... he's held to a different standard than not only other presidents, but other adults.   It's surreal.

Someday he's going to need the country to actually believe him about something important, and he won't be able to, because he's burned his credibility to the waterline.  This is a mentally ill president, and people are still in denial about that.   And eventually it's going to bite us in the ass.

I posted a meme on FB of Paul Ryan in a photo op with a disabled little boy. My brother mentioned that Eric Trump had a charity to benefit St. Jude's that got shut down. He reads crap websites, so he has no idea about this:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06/donald-trump-eric-trump-charity

OH JESUS: DID TRUMP REALLY SKIM CHARITY MONEY FROM KIDS WITH CANCER?
Color us shocked.

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8 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/26/2017, 2:19 pm

zsomething wrote:The dangerous thing is how normalized this is getting.  And how people are accepting it.

Obama once said "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor," which wasn't even a lie, it was just incorrect... and even then, only in a small percentage of cases.  And yet years later it's still the first thing out of the mouths of people who completely dismiss Trump's lying... and he tells ten lies bigger than that every day.

Trump is just overwhelming the country with gack.  There's so much of it everybody's exhausted trying to keep up, so we all just shrug and say, "Yeah, the president just announced that he's actually a robot that can turn into a helicopter, whattayagonnado."   He does it so much that people just accept it from him... he's held to a different standard than not only other presidents, but other adults.   It's surreal.

Someday he's going to need the country to actually believe him about something important, and he won't be able to, because he's burned his credibility to the waterline.  This is a mentally ill president, and people are still in denial about that.   And eventually it's going to bite us in the ass.

Here's something to notice, if you haven't already. In interviews especially, when Trump drops a big whopper you can catch him glancing up with his head lowered slightly at the person he's talking to. I've seen little kids do this when they're telling a lie, they (and Trump) glance at the person they're talking to in order to evaluate whether or not the person has bought the lie. It is really incredible to see a grown person doing that but he does it all the time. I noticed it again in the most recent clip with a Fox News women. He and Melania are standing in front of some portrait in the WH talking about who knows what. Check it out.

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9 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/26/2017, 3:43 pm

zsomething wrote:The dangerous thing is how normalized this is getting.  And how people are accepting it.

Obama once said "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor," which wasn't even a lie, it was just incorrect... and even then, only in a small percentage of cases.  And yet years later it's still the first thing out of the mouths of people who completely dismiss Trump's lying... and he tells ten lies bigger than that every day.

Trump is just overwhelming the country with gack.  There's so much of it everybody's exhausted trying to keep up, so we all just shrug and say, "Yeah, the president just announced that he's actually a robot that can turn into a helicopter, whattayagonnado."   He does it so much that people just accept it from him... he's held to a different standard than not only other presidents, but other adults.   It's surreal.

Someday he's going to need the country to actually believe him about something important, and he won't be able to, because he's burned his credibility to the waterline.  This is a mentally ill president, and people are still in denial about that.   And eventually it's going to bite us in the ass.

This is all 100% right on the mark -- and I don't say that happily. Well stated as usual, z, and I'm copying to show other friends. Ever think of offering your services as an opinion columnist? We sure could use your lucidity in the public discourse.

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10 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/26/2017, 3:51 pm

othershoe1030 wrote:Here's something to notice, if you haven't already. In interviews especially, when Trump drops a big whopper you can catch him glancing up with his head lowered slightly at the person he's talking to. I've seen little kids do this when they're telling a lie, they (and Trump) glance at the person they're talking to in order to evaluate whether or not the person has bought the lie. It is really incredible to see a grown person doing that but he does it all the time. I noticed it again in the most recent clip with a Fox News women. He and Melania are standing in front of some portrait in the WH talking about who knows what. Check it out.

Will have to keep an eye out for that, other. Very observant of you. Actually, I know an antique jewelry dealer who does the exact same thing whenever he's quoting me a price to buy something from me. Have always thought it probably meant he was checking out my reaction. Hadn't noticed it in Trump. Will now, thanks.

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11 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/26/2017, 6:42 pm

othershoe1030 wrote:
Here's something to notice, if you haven't already. In interviews especially, when Trump drops a big whopper you can catch him glancing up with his head lowered slightly at the person he's talking to. I've seen little kids do this when they're telling a lie, they (and Trump) glance at the person they're talking to in order to evaluate whether or not the person has bought the lie. It is really incredible to see a grown person doing that but he does it all the time. I noticed it again in the most recent clip with a Fox News women. He and Melania are standing in front of some portrait in the WH talking about who knows what. Check it out.

Well, Jesus! He's always lying. How can you tell when he's not?

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12 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/26/2017, 6:55 pm

zsomething wrote:Obama once said "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor," which wasn't even a lie, it was just incorrect...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... y'all are so special.

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13 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/26/2017, 7:01 pm

PkrBum wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... y'all are so special.

Fake talkingpoints... lol

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14 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/26/2017, 10:47 pm


What President Obama may not have realized at the time was the number of insurance policies in the market that did not meet the minimum standards of the PPACA. I'm thinking of Bob. His insurance before he qualified for Medicare was horrible...ridiculous...but he had paid into it for years just to have SOME peace of mind. I have already discussed my personal fight against my employer when they tried to deny me coverage for a miscarriage. I was livid, and I brought in the resources of the EEOC. It worked. They paid out of pocket, and they reinstated maternity coverage. But they had denied it to one of my male coworkers who had family benefits including his wife. Her pregnancy was before mine, and they got left out in the cold. I hope he learned the lesson to challenge authority when it tries to bite you.

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15 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/26/2017, 11:42 pm

How can President Trump when he did not know the first thing about health care reform. He was utterly ignorant, and most of his statements cannot mask the depth of that ignorance. Yet, close to 40% of Americans continue to support ignorance, even in the face of losing health care coverage......when hate and prejudice have you frozen in fear of diversity, it is not President Trump's life time of lying and puffing, where most of the time he simply was ignorant of context or understanding of the simple concepts. It boils down to racism, where compassion ends where color, religion, and ethnicity allow a compulsive liar to be our President.

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16 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/27/2017, 12:00 am

2seaoat wrote:  Yet, close to 40% of Americans continue to support ignorance, even in the face of losing health care coverage......when hate and prejudice have you frozen in fear of diversity, it is not President Trump's life time of lying and puffing, where most of the time he simply was ignorant of context or understanding of the simple concepts.  It boils down to racism, where compassion ends where color, religion, and ethnicity allow a compulsive liar to be our President.

And here's why: It was the policy of the US government!

In 1933, faced with a housing shortage, the federal government began a program explicitly designed to increase — and segregate — America's housing stock. Author Richard Rothstein says the housing programs begun under the New Deal were tantamount to a "state-sponsored system of segregation."

The government's efforts were "primarily designed to provide housing to white, middle-class, lower-middle-class families," he says. African-Americans and other people of color were left out of the new suburban communities — and pushed instead into urban housing projects.

http://www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526655831/a-forgotten-history-of-how-the-u-s-government-segregated-america

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17 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/27/2017, 8:39 am

PkrBum wrote:
zsomething wrote:Obama once said "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor," which wasn't even a lie, it was just incorrect...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... y'all are so special.

Whatever else you've been hand-trained to think of him by the people who rightfully exploited you as a gullible dullard, Obama is not dumb enough to have hammered a point like that unless he believed he was correct. He -- unlike the mental-case clod you keep trying to defend -- knows we live in an age where everything's recorded, saved on the Internet, and can be produced later to embarrass you if you lie. So, he wasn't dumb enough to have stepped into that unless he thought it was correct, especially about a bill that had already passed.

So, yeah, he was wrong (and, again, in a very limited number of cases that have been inflated by Republicans desperate to find fault). But if you really think it was a lie, then you're underestimating your opponents. Which wouldn't surprise me, since that seems to be your default-setting.

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18 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/27/2017, 9:55 am

zsomething wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
zsomething wrote:Obama once said "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor," which wasn't even a lie, it was just incorrect...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... y'all are so special.

Whatever else you've been hand-trained to think of him by the people who rightfully exploited you as a gullible dullard, Obama is not dumb enough to have hammered a point like that unless he believed he was correct.  He -- unlike the mental-case clod you keep trying to defend -- knows we live in an age where everything's recorded, saved on the Internet, and can be produced later to embarrass you if you lie.  So, he wasn't dumb enough to have stepped into that unless he thought it was correct, especially about a bill that had already passed.

So, yeah, he was wrong (and, again, in a very limited number of cases that have been inflated by Republicans desperate to find fault).  But if you really think it was a lie, then you're underestimating your opponents.  Which wouldn't surprise me, since that seems to be your default-setting.

I'm impressed...


By what you're able to willfully "forget"... lol. Remember when we were going to get the bills published on line for review? Or all of the backroom deals and bribes? No... I didn't think so. Comrades are so easy... lol.

“If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor.”
“If you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan.”
“We’re going to lower your premiums by up to $2500 per family per year.”
“No family making less than $250,000 a year will see their taxes increase.”
“I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, now or in the future.”
“I will sign a universal healthcare bill into law…that covers every American.”

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19 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/27/2017, 9:58 am

del.capslock wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:
Here's something to notice, if you haven't already. In interviews especially, when Trump drops a big whopper you can catch him glancing up with his head lowered slightly at the person he's talking to. I've seen little kids do this when they're telling a lie, they (and Trump) glance at the person they're talking to in order to evaluate whether or not the person has bought the lie. It is really incredible to see a grown person doing that but he does it all the time. I noticed it again in the most recent clip with a Fox News women. He and Melania are standing in front of some portrait in the WH talking about who knows what. Check it out.

Well, Jesus! He's always lying. How can you tell when he's not?

The stream of lies is constant of course. This look is associated with a new lie that he's just trying out to see if it will fly.

Studies have shown that the more a person lies the easier it becomes. In 45's case he has come to believe his own lies so that masks a normal response.

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21 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/27/2017, 5:08 pm

Okay, THIS is hilariously pathetic.   Or, at least, it would be hilarious if the needy narcissistic loonietoon weren't president of the United States.  As is, it's a little embarrassing/disturbing that he's so addicted to praise and desperate to impress that he has fake magazine covers made up saying nice things about himself.

A Time Magazine with Trump on the cover hangs in his golf clubs. It’s fake.

The framed copy of Time Magazine was hung up in at least four of President Trump’s golf clubs, from South Florida to Scotland. Filling the entire cover was a photo of Donald Trump.

“Donald Trump: The ‘Apprentice’ is a television smash!” the big headline said. Above the Time nameplate, there was another headline in all caps: “TRUMP IS HITTING ON ALL FRONTS . . . EVEN TV!”

This cover — dated March 1, 2009 — looks like an impressive memento from Trump’s pre-presidential career. To club members eating lunch, or golfers waiting for a pro-shop purchase, it seemed to be a signal that Trump had always been a man who mattered. Even when he was just a reality-TV star, Trump was the kind of star who got a cover story in Time.

But that wasn’t true.

The Time cover is a fake.

There was no March 1, 2009, issue of Time Magazine. And there was no issue at all in 2009 that had Trump on the cover.

In fact,the cover on display at Trump’s clubs, observed recently by a reporter visiting one of the properties, contains several small but telling mistakes. Its red border is skinnier than that of a genuine Time cover, and, unlike the real thing, there is no thin white border next to the red. The Trump cover’s secondary headlines are stacked on the right side — on a real Time cover, they would go across the top.

And it has two exclamation points. Time headlines don’t yell.

“I can confirm that this is not a real TIME cover,” Kerri Chyka, a spokeswoman for Time Inc., wrote in an email to The Washington Post.

So how did Trump — who spent an entire campaign and much of his presidency accusing the mainstream media of producing “fake news” — wind up decorating his properties with a literal piece of phony journalism?

The Trump Organization did not respond to questions this week about who made the cover and why it was displayed at Trump clubs. White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders declined to say whether Trump had known the cover wasn’t real.

“We couldn’t comment on the decor at Trump Golf clubs one way or another,” Sanders wrote in an email.

The cover seems to fit a broader pattern for Trump, who has often boasted of his appearances on Time’s cover and adorned his Trump Tower office with images of himself from magazines and newspapers. Trump has made claims about himself — about his charitable giving, his business success, even the size of the crowd at his inauguration — that are not supported by the facts.

In this case, Trump’s golf clubs might seem like a place where he wouldn’t need to stretch the truth. Reality is flattering enough. The clubs are monuments to Trump’s success — they bear his name and are filled with his images. But, still, his staff added an extra trophy that was phony.

It is not clear who created this fake Time cover — or why.

Its date might be a clue: March 1, 2009, was the season debut of Trump’s show “The Celebrity Apprentice.” But a transcript of that show offers no answers. In that episode, various B-list celebrities competed to sell cupcakes, and Trump fired comedian Andrew Dice Clay for poor performance. Nobody mentioned Time Magazine.

While it’s not difficult to mock up a fake cover using graphic-design software, whoever made this one actually sought out real Time headlines, to add to the fake.

There are secondary headlines on the Trump cover that tout stories on President Barack Obama, climate change and the financial crisis. Two of those are taken from a real March 2, 2009, issue of Time, which featured actress Kate Winslet on the cover. But the issue makes no mention of Trump.




My picture dimensions are probably still off by a bit (I'm trying to make it fit but am not great at guessing ratios) but, you get the idea.  The link'll show the whole article, plus pictures of 'em hanging on the walls of his golf courses.

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22 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/28/2017, 4:32 pm

Sean Spicer set the tone for this administration's relationship with the truth and with the media. At his first absurd and now classic "news conference" he argued that Trump's crowds were the largest ever in the history of inaugural celebrations.

It has been downhill from there.

Why should it bother us so much that this president is a proven liar? Here's why it bothers me. As children we were raised to tell the truth. Stories like "the boy who cried wolf" and characters like Pinocchio and Jiminy Cricket drove home the importance of being honest. Honest Abe is a national hero. We at least liked to pretend that our leaders told the truth, never mind a few incidents of starting wars under false pretenses and the whole native American history...

Now this real estate developer/con-man from New York  has been sent to Washington to "shake things up". He has certainly done that. Even the members of his own adopted party do not really know what to do with him. His approval numbers continue to bottom out and his reputation as a blowhard know-nothing grows by the day.

His ignorance of basic government functioning is overshadowed by his constant lying. He is an embarrassment to the country and a horrible example of a role model for the young.

So, I'm saying his lying bothers me because he is such a poor example of anything this country or its people are supposed to stand for. This is a pathetic situation and a dark hour for the country.







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23 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/28/2017, 5:06 pm

Yet the Obama and admin lies never caused a blip on your radar... odd.



Just kidding... not odd at all... lol.




http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/

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24 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/28/2017, 7:27 pm

TOUGH SHIT!

Elections have consequences. DUH!


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25 Re: Trump's Lies on 6/28/2017, 7:32 pm

You're really good at proving my points... lol. Keep up the good work Vlad.

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