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Respectful political opposition, or revolution?

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Obama promised change and delivered zero. That's why Trump was elected -- he promised change too. Now his supporters are but 35% of the electorate.

Ostensibly, right or left, Americans are supposed to feel and believe they are united. The folks of the other party may have opposing opinions, but supposedly they're still your brothers and sisters, so to speak.

But when the other side demonstrates over and over and over again that they are willing to put party loyalty over national loyalty, they transition from political opposition to enemy.

Right at this moment, the far right and the far left equal more than 50% of the electorate -- and neither progressives nor ultra conservatives are happy with the current president or any of the politicians in Washington. Trump's rabid base is beginning to have second thoughts. And at the far left end of the political spectrum, men like the baseball shooter are seriously considering terrorism and acts of revolutionary violence as their only reasonable choice.

Not being able to accept a ruling group's actions is the ignition device for explosive, armed revolution.

And every day that goes by, with Trump's insane, self-destructive tweeting tirades, and the republicans' obvious proclivity to ignore their horribly flawed leader in order to maintain power over both houses, the left is inexorably shoved further and further towards desperation. All of which causes the right to gloat, snicker, and nod-nod, wink wink.

If you're from the right, you are no longer my brother, my fellow American. You are my deadly enemy.

That's the fodder of revolution. We better start watching how ISIS does their stuff. Because the other side wants us dead.

And that's where government for hire (right and left) has brought us all.

Reality.

del.capslock

del.capslock

I'm not sure I agree with you...   wait, I am sure and I don't!

Things were much worse during the late '60s and early '70s. There were hijackings, bombings armored-car robberies, protests that turned into riots. We haven't seen any of that.

In Madison radicals blew up the Army Research Center on campus. The Democratic convention in '68 turned into a police riot. The radicals became stars: Jerry Rubin! Abbie Hoffman! Huey Newton! SDS! Black Panthers! Weather Underground! Feminism! Environmentalism! (I don't have any personal recollection of those events, you understand, it's all just stuff I read about.)

It was much worse then than it is now. If I wanted to spend an hour I could probably list a hundred specific events and personalities. Eventually things calmed down. These protests at town halls are pitifully tame compared to real resistance.

"Government for hire" implies corporate control and, as much as I hate corporate capitalism, I realize that they prefer smooth sailing. If things get too rocky, business suffers. They'd rather throw money at whatever the problem is than risk complete anarchy. They're also beginning to see that Trump is completely incompetent at governing and that's no good either.

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2seaoat



Again, 2 out of 3 Americans disapprove of the job President Trump is doing. American democracy is imperfect, but it can smell the stench of evil. The idea that violence is necessary does not need to be, but history is full of examples where real change had violence as a predicate.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

The real question is: how much desperation is necessary for violence to become a realistic entity?

What does it take for a progressive liberal house inspector to turn to violence as a solution?

As for the 60s, I was one of Los Angeles's first Big Brothers to an African American 12 yr-old during the Watts Riots. I drove into a black neighborhood to visit my little brother, with a .357 lying on the seat beside me in my car. The riots, black oppression, and the entire civil rights era were chock full of violence. Chock full also, of desperation. Young people of the 60s rightfully hated the Vietnam war, and the persecution of African Americans that were the standard at the time. Unfortunately, for all, government at every level was racist and conservative. The Weathermen, Black Panthers, SNCC, were the direct result of governmental violence like the shootings at Kent State.

The bloom of civic violence eventually won over the issues. We slunk away from the disaster of the Vietnam war, blacks won some of their right to vote (which is threatened again by the same folks who hated black Americans back then).

2seaoat



violence cuts both ways.....the alt right can be just as effective killing congressional members as the far left, but for the average American the disdain for violence will never see that as the catalyst for change. Justice and a fair deal for every American is the goal, and the bastards who fix the game are not going to be stopped by random violence. Change begins and ends with the tax code.

del.capslock

del.capslock

[quote="2seaoat"  Change begins and ends with the tax code.[/quote]

Reform the tax code! Are you crazy? That's all we need--100,000 tax attorneys and CPAs unemployed and running around loose.

Taxes only serve ONE purpose: to create enforceable demand for US Dollars.

The US could eliminate ALL taxes tomorrow and still pay any bill denominated in Dollars.

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Wordslinger wrote:Obama promised change and delivered zero.  That's why Trump was elected -- he promised change too.  Now his supporters are but 35% of the electorate.

I disagree strongly with your premise. I really don't understand why you would write such a thing.



Ostensibly, right or left, Americans are supposed to feel and believe they are united.  The folks of the other party may have opposing opinions, but supposedly they're still your brothers and sisters, so to speak.

My brother has been calling me a hater because I don't support Trump. So much for brothers and sisters...both literal and figurative.
The GOP stonewalled throughout both of his terms, to the point of shutting down the government...and somehow blaming it on him.



But when the other side demonstrates over and over and over again that they are willing to put party loyalty over national loyalty, they transition from political opposition to enemy.

What "transition"? Have you completely forgotten Bush?



Right at this moment, the far right and the far left equal more than 50% of the electorate -- and neither progressives nor ultra conservatives are happy with the current president or any of the politicians in Washington.  Trump's rabid base is beginning to have second thoughts.  And at the far left end of the political spectrum, men like the baseball shooter are seriously considering terrorism and acts of revolutionary violence as their only reasonable choice.

Violence is not a "reasonable choice".

Not being able to accept a ruling group's actions is the ignition device for explosive, armed revolution.

And every day that goes by, with Trump's insane, self-destructive tweeting tirades, and the republicans' obvious proclivity to ignore their horribly flawed leader in order to maintain power over both houses, the left is inexorably shoved further and further towards desperation.  All of which causes the right to gloat, snicker, and nod-nod, wink wink.  

If you're from the right, you are no longer my brother, my fellow American.  You are my deadly enemy.  

That's the fodder of revolution.  We better start watching how ISIS does their stuff.  Because the other side wants us dead.  

And that's where government for hire (right and left) has brought us all.  

Reality.

Anyone who continues to support Herr Drumpf is either willfully ignorant or brainwashed...most likely both. 

del.capslock

del.capslock

Gee, does this mean we can't all hold hands and sing "Feelings"?

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

del.capslock wrote:Gee, does this mean we can't all hold hands and sing "Feelings"?

That was the old wimpy left. Now we're all deadly terrorists with discounted sniper rifles.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Floridatexan wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Obama promised change and delivered zero.  That's why Trump was elected -- he promised change too.  Now his supporters are but 35% of the electorate.

I disagree strongly with your premise.  I really don't understand why you would write such a thing.
After Bush, the country was desperate for change. Obama promised it, but never delivered (some of his own doing, some caused by republican's blocking his efforts. The desire for change still dominates and is responsible for Trump being elected instead of Clinton.


Ostensibly, right or left, Americans are supposed to feel and believe they are united.  The folks of the other party may have opposing opinions, but supposedly they're still your brothers and sisters, so to speak.

My brother has been calling me a hater because I don't support Trump.  So much for brothers and sisters...both literal and figurative.
 The GOP stonewalled throughout both of his terms, to the point of shutting down the government...and somehow blaming it on him.



But when the other side demonstrates over and over and over again that they are willing to put party loyalty over national loyalty, they transition from political opposition to enemy.

What "transition"?  Have you completely forgotten Bush?



Right at this moment, the far right and the far left equal more than 50% of the electorate -- and neither progressives nor ultra conservatives are happy with the current president or any of the politicians in Washington.  Trump's rabid base is beginning to have second thoughts.  And at the far left end of the political spectrum, men like the baseball shooter are seriously considering terrorism and acts of revolutionary violence as their only reasonable choice.

Violence is not a "reasonable choice".

Read what I said in my statement. At some point of desperation one begins to seriously evaluate violence and revolution as a solution.

Not being able to accept a ruling group's actions is the ignition device for explosive, armed revolution.

And every day that goes by, with Trump's insane, self-destructive tweeting tirades, and the republicans' obvious proclivity to ignore their horribly flawed leader in order to maintain power over both houses, the left is inexorably shoved further and further towards desperation.  All of which causes the right to gloat, snicker, and nod-nod, wink wink.  

If you're from the right, you are no longer my brother, my fellow American.  You are my deadly enemy.  

That's the fodder of revolution.  We better start watching how ISIS does their stuff.  Because the other side wants us dead.  

And that's where government for hire (right and left) has brought us all.  

Reality.

Anyone who continues to support Herr Drumpf is either willfully ignorant or brainwashed...most likely both. 

2seaoat



My wife took some chit from Trump supporters since before his election in November on facebook. The last four weeks has been crickets. When he fired the FBI director and then bragged why he impeded the Russian investigation......to a Russian.....even the dumbest supporter of President Trump understands that Russia is not our friend, and that something is amiss. When we get to the financial records we will see that the entire play was financial, and like so many before, the dumb aszes in America were conned by a Yankee carpetbagging fast talking immoral man.

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