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1 "I'm with my kids" on 6/11/2017, 9:19 am

http://ktla.com/2017/06/09/man-killed-after-pleading-with-teen-gunman-im-with-my-kids/

A 25-year-old father pleaded with two teenagers not to shoot him in front of his young children moments before one of them opened fire, killing him Thursday afternoon in Chicago’s Brighton Park neighborhood, according to a report.

The victim was talking to his girlfriend and children through a van window in the 4600 block of South Troy Street when two teens walked up beside the vehicle, according to The Chicago Tribune.

Police and multiple witnesses said the teens asked the man what he was “about,” or what gang he belonged to, the newspaper reported.

After telling the two, “I’m with my kids,” one teen turned to the other and ordered him to shoot.

The man again implored, “I’m with my kids.” His girlfriend echoing the same plea, telling the two, “He’s with his kids.”

One of the teens took out a pistol and shot the man in the forehead. After the man dropped to the ground, the teen stood over him and shot him twice more in the chest, according to the Chicago Police Department.

The man’s two children, a 2 year-old boy and a 5 month-old girl, were rushed inside by their aunt.

The boy, who realized what happened, screamed and cried for nearly an hour while his aunt tried to calm him, according to the Tribune.

The girlfriend was crying at her boyfriend’s side, screaming, “Wake up, wake up, when paramedics came and rushed the unresponsive man to the hospital.

He was initially listed in critical condition, but later died of his injuries.

Authorities have not identified the victim.

The suspects were able to get away.

The shooting is among a string of incidents linked to increasing violence in Chicago that have eroded the sense of community in some neighborhoods. Many residents shared their concerns with the Tribune, but asked that their names not be published amid fears of living in the area.

“Everybody is scared,” said the man who first attended to the victim, “Nobody on this block is going to let their kids go outside unless they’re outside with them, and they’re not going to let them out of their sight.”

“Either you have your kid in the house, or you let them go outside and they join a gang,” neighbor Olivia said. “We kept ours in the house.”

More than a dozen children live on the block, which is also around the corner from an elementary school. All stayed indoors after the fatal shooting, residents said.

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2 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/11/2017, 10:49 am

Horrible.

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3 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/11/2017, 11:35 am

What is horrible is prohibition. The war on drugs and the prohibition of the 1920s brought out terrible gang violence in Chicago. I have known kids who could make 2k a week selling drugs, and the infrastructure to secure these profits is violence. If you have legal pot, regulated opiates, regulated meth, regulated smack, and other currently classified illegal drugs you could tax the chit out of them and still bring the price of street drugs down to next to nothing destroying the profit in gang's and ending the violence.

Make all the counter arguments, but I challenge Congress to allow Cook County to set up a three year trial program which would distribute, tax, and regulate current controlled substances, and use the tax proceeds for drug addiction intervention, half way houses, and vocational training, and in that three year period you would see an immediate drop in street violence.

It would have to be registered users who are given no more than a weekly supply of their drugs, and only after those users as part of getting a card go through at least eight hours of initial drug addiction counseling.

Prohibition does not work. Violence is certain when you prohibit something people demand, but stupid is hard to fix. We have tried the war on drugs. It has failed.

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4 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/11/2017, 12:07 pm

States should certainly have the right to "try things". But just like the mafia... the gangs w evolve. What i find most upsetting is the mindset/culture that could allow such an act. It's not all the fault of prohibition.

Nothing is going to be solved by making excuses.

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5 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/11/2017, 12:13 pm

2seaoat wrote:What is horrible is prohibition.   The war on drugs and the prohibition of the 1920s brought out terrible gang violence in Chicago.  I have known kids who could make 2k a week selling drugs, and the infrastructure to secure these profits is violence.   If you have legal pot, regulated opiates, regulated meth, regulated smack, and other currently classified illegal drugs you could tax the chit out of them and still bring the price of street drugs down to next to nothing destroying the profit in gang's and ending the violence.

Make all the counter arguments, but I challenge Congress to allow Cook County to set up a three year trial program which would distribute, tax, and regulate current controlled substances, and use the tax proceeds for drug addiction intervention, half way houses, and vocational training, and in that three year period you would see an immediate drop in street violence.

It would have to be registered users who are given no more than a weekly supply of their drugs, and only after those users as part of getting a card go through at least eight hours of initial drug addiction counseling.

We already have "regulated" opiates and amphetamines: Oxycontin, Percocet, Desoxyn, Adderall. How's that working out?

People take intoxicating drugs to excess, including alcohol, because their lives suck in one way or another and it keeps them from thinking about it.

You can never get rid of that entirely, but one of the best ways to reduce it is a Guaranteed Basic Income, GBI--an idea that even Nixon once advocated.

Naturally, every major corporation and their paid lackeys, AKA Republicans--and certain female Democrats who shall remain nameless but you know who I mean--oppose this because it would eliminate the whip of poverty to create cheap labor.

You sound like every other "know-it-all" dumb-ass that thinks drug abuse is a legal problem instead of a social one.

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6 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/11/2017, 12:33 pm

Since it's a fucking shooting gallery anyway... why not have an open season on gang members? Have bounties... hotline tips for a 1/4 share... captured alive 1/2 share... and dead pays a full share. Let capitalism do the work. Btw... welfare is a guaranteed living wage. It's part of the problem.

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7 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/11/2017, 12:53 pm

PkrBum wrote: why not have an open season on gang members?

For the same reason we don't have an open season on reactionary imbeciles.

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8 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/11/2017, 1:22 pm

I don't think that applying civilized solutions to people that would kill innocents is ever going to work. So it's just going to be continued victimization for those that have no escape. Another failed leftist policy.

Good luck blaming that on pubs.

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9 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/11/2017, 3:15 pm

Newsflash: Crime ain't going away.

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10 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/11/2017, 3:17 pm

I blame gang violence entirely on Republicans. The war on crime has been a systematic combination of pumping drugs into the ghetto and the creation of disparate sentencing which cripples black males as they walk around with felonies while a white counterpart using powder gets a misdemeanor. The money is what drives gang violence. The free market destroys the criminal element when the demand is met by less expensive drugs. It really is that simple. The tax revenues would be directed at addiction cycles as opposed to jail cycles, and the taxpayer wins, and families can take back their neighborhoods. The violence in Chicago is being hyped, but any knowledgeable person knows it is literally half of what it was in the late seventies. Overall the last five years crime has dropped in Chicago, but when the far right political agenda is to further harm black urban communities who are a threat as a growing voting block, it becomes necessary to create the narrative of rising crime, and the need to further handicap people of color. Same old....same old. Legalize and regulate all illegal drugs. Tax them and use the revenues to address addiction.

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11 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/11/2017, 4:07 pm

The damage urban gangs do is nothing compared to legal drug cartels.

The richest newcomer to Forbes 2015 list of America’s Richest Families comes in at a stunning $14 billion. The Sackler family, which owns Stamford, Conn.-based Purdue Pharma, flew under the radar when Forbes launched its initial list of wealthiest families in July 2014, but this year they crack the top-20, edging out storied families like the Busches, Mellons and Rockefellers.

How did the Sacklers build the 16th-largest fortune in the country? The short answer: making the most popular and controversial opioid of the 21st century -- OxyContin.

Purdue, 100% owned by the Sacklers, has generated estimated sales of more than $35 billion since releasing its time-released, supposedly addiction-proof version of the painkiller oxycodone back in 1995. Its annual revenues are about $3 billion, still mostly from OxyContin. The Sacklers also own separate drug companies that sell to Asia, Latin America, Canada and Europe, together generating similar total sales as Purdue’s operation in the United States.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexmorrell/2015/07/01/the-oxycontin-clan-the-14-billion-newcomer-to-forbes-2015-list-of-richest-u-s-families/#6c4d238e75e0

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12 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/11/2017, 8:21 pm

2seaoat wrote:I blame gang violence entirely on Republicans.  The war on crime has been a systematic combination of pumping drugs into the ghetto and the creation of disparate sentencing which cripples black males as they walk around with felonies while a white counterpart using powder gets a misdemeanor.   The money is what drives gang violence.  The free market destroys the criminal element when the demand is met by less expensive drugs.  It really is that simple.  The tax revenues would be directed at addiction cycles as opposed to jail cycles, and the taxpayer wins, and families can take back their neighborhoods.  The violence in Chicago is being hyped, but any knowledgeable person knows it is literally half of what it was in the late seventies.  Overall the last five years crime has dropped in Chicago, but when the far right political agenda is to further harm black urban communities who are a threat as a growing voting block, it becomes necessary to create the narrative of rising crime, and the need to further handicap people of color.   Same old....same old.  Legalize and regulate all illegal drugs.  Tax them and use the revenues to address addiction.

Bull Shit.

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13 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/12/2017, 12:02 am

The same bull chit which said that crime would go up in Washington state, Oregon, and Colorado when pot was legalized. Lower crime, fewer DUIs, and less murders. It is the worse fear that the Republican Party has positioned itself with the Richard Nixon southern strategy which appeals to get tough on crime which is code for fill up our jails with non violent black men and give them a felony to take their vote away and disenfranchise an entire community. All the while running the price of drugs up and increasing the profits from illegal activity and gang networks of distribution. This is not rocket science. Legalize and end prohibition. People drink. It is not the end of the world. It is far more harmful to America than illegal drug use. Yet, it became a political movement to attack taverns with mobs of women until they could prohibit the sale of alcohol. It became a political movement to make the use of Pot a crime. Jeff Sessions is AG and what is this racist Alabama senator wanting to do......make stiffer sentences for drug offenses......no dog whistles only fool those who blow them, and this is not bull chit just the horrible consequences of racial warfare and the assumption of white superiority and privilege.

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14 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/12/2017, 12:27 am

Is that what makes a teen put a gun to a man, begging for his life, and pull the trigger three times? Bull Shit!

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15 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/12/2017, 12:57 am

It sure is. I had first hand experience. I was shoveling snow when two 16 year old hispanic males approached me wanting to shovel my walk. For the first time in my life I did not jump at them verbally as I threw a shovel of snow, and they slowly walked from the sidewalk through a shell station next to my office. They crossed the street and a kid who just got discharged from the Navy and was going to register for junior college was asked a question by the gunmen and in front of witnesses and at noon on a monday they pulled out handguns and murdered this kid they never met and who had been gone from the community. We looked at the video tapes at the shell station, we looked at the bank security cameras, but there were 24 murders in our community that year with most be gang initiation killings. I was lucky. However, it was not until a federal task force came in and cleaned up a dirty police department who had members who were tipping the gangs off. Yep, a suburb of Chicago had become a major distribution point for Mexican drugs and the entire community suffered because of prohibition and the resulting gangs. This town was gang free thirty years earlier. The systematic Southern strategy of the war on drugs and law and order was a racist dog whistle policy, just like the war on immigrants is doing the same. We do not want to brown up America so these political policies are neither subtle or ineffective. They work. They got President Trump elected and an attorney general who is a segregationist and hater taking all the advancements in the unfair sentencing and throwing them in the garbage. I know. I lived the horrors of Birmingham Alabama in the fifties, and I have dealt with gangs, and now my daughter prosecutes, and to the last law enforcement agent, they know that prohibition fuels the violence. Not some inherent racial predetermination.....that is the desired rhetoric, just like President Trumps lies......the truth stands independent.

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16 Re: "I'm with my kids" on 6/12/2017, 8:54 am

Beyond sick. I hope they catch the bastards who did it and fry 'em.

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