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Our Own Right Wing Extremist-racists are more dangerous here than ISIS!

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Floridatexan
othershoe1030
Telstar
zsomething
PkrBum
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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

I lifted the following two paragraphs from a piece in today's Salon website.

"In the United States, right-wing domestic terrorists have killed hundreds of people since 2007. Moreover, federal law enforcement and other agencies have repeatedly warned that terrorism by right-wing extremists affiliated with the sovereign citizens movement, white supremacists and other hate groups poses a greater threat than violence by Islamic terrorists. Since Sept. 11, 2001, more people have been killed and injured in the United States by white right-wing domestic terrorists than Muslim extremists.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has also documented a record increase in hate crimes against Jews, Muslims and people of color that began with the start of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and has continued through the first months of his presidency."


Don't worry about Islamic Terrorists -- odds are better you'll be hit by lightning. Arm yourself against your redneck Christian neighbors!

PkrBum

PkrBum

"Not everything you read on the internet is true" Abraham Lincoln

zsomething



Well, that's definitely been my experience. I've experienced a lot more violence from right-wing Christian extremists than I have from Muslims. Fistfights, knives pulled on me twice, threats of shooting me... usually just because I don't go to church. The only reason some of 'em aren't doing the same shit ISIS does is because our secular society would shut that down. But, they're steadily working trying to overcome that, so... they do bear watching. And, yeah, I do have Muslims in my town -- they've never done anything violent that I know of -- they're over here to be away from that kind of junk. And, of course, most of the Christians around me are also peaceful and mean well, which is why I'm not for shutting anyone out because of their religion, despite my bad experiences with some Christians. If I can grant them mostly-okay status, they can do the same for the Muslims.

But I'll admit that the ordnance in my house is there primarily as a precaution against right-wing extremists. Robbers, too, o' course, but the right-wingers around here run their mouths far too often about fantasies of going house to house, dragging liberals to the curb and shooting them, for me to dismiss it as anything short of an obsession. Even though I'm not entirely liberal (I'm more liberal than not, though I'm not in love with Democrats... I just hate Republicans, so, Dems are the default setting), I'm pretty sure anything to the left of Hitler qualifies as a "libtard" for a lot of these idiots. Since I'm not about to join anybody's church, I figured I better be prepared. I strongly doubt they'll ever actually try to start their little pogroms -- right-wingers mostly talk a whole lot of shit and never actually do anything - but if they do show up I'll be equipped to put a couple hollowpoints through their lil' punkin faces, if need be. But, it's unlikely it'll ever come to that. I've been hearing their bullshit my entire life, and even though it's gotten worse since they got all amped-up and brainwashed by their FOX-News/talk-radio asshole-support-system, they're still mostly talking to hear their heads rattle.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:"Not everything you read on the internet is true"  Abraham Lincoln

Query: You disagree with my opening statement? Show me where Islamic terrorists have killed more people than right wing extremists in America, since 9-11.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

zsomething wrote:Well, that's definitely been my experience.  I've experienced a lot more violence from right-wing Christian extremists than I have from Muslims.  Fistfights, knives pulled on me twice, threats of shooting me... usually just because I don't go to church.  The only reason some of 'em aren't doing the same shit ISIS does is because our secular society would shut that down.  But, they're steadily working trying to overcome that, so... they do bear watching.    And, yeah, I do have Muslims in my town -- they've never done anything violent that I know of -- they're over here to be away from that kind of junk.  And, of course, most of the Christians around me are also peaceful and mean well, which is why I'm not for shutting anyone out because of their religion, despite my bad experiences with some Christians.   If I can grant them mostly-okay status, they can do the same for the Muslims.

But I'll admit that the ordnance in my house is there primarily as a precaution against right-wing extremists.  Robbers, too, o' course, but the right-wingers around here run their mouths far too often about fantasies of going house to house, dragging liberals to the curb and shooting them, for me to dismiss it as anything short of an obsession.   Even though I'm not entirely liberal (I'm more liberal than not, though I'm not in love with Democrats... I just hate Republicans, so, Dems are the default setting), I'm pretty sure anything to the left of Hitler qualifies as a "libtard" for a lot of these idiots.  Since I'm not about to join anybody's church, I figured I better be prepared.   I strongly doubt they'll ever actually try to start their little pogroms -- right-wingers mostly talk a whole lot of shit and never actually do anything - but if they do show up I'll be equipped to put a couple hollowpoints through their  lil' punkin faces, if need be.  But, it's unlikely it'll ever come to that.  I've been hearing their bullshit my entire life, and even though it's gotten worse since they got all amped-up and brainwashed by their FOX-News/talk-radio asshole-support-system, they're still mostly talking to hear their heads rattle.

We have a lot in common. I'm a strident atheist, armed, and like you I hate republicans and use democrat as a "default" setting. I'm for Warren and Sanders, but not any of the current dem leaders like Schumer or Pelosi, or Brazil, etc.
Glad to know where you stand.

PkrBum

PkrBum

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:"Not everything you read on the internet is true"  Abraham Lincoln

Query:  You disagree with my opening statement?  Show me where Islamic terrorists have killed more people than right wing extremists in America, since 9-11.

No... that's your assertion. It's you that should produce a reliable source. I call bs.

"Since Sept. 11, 2001, more people have been killed and injured in the United States by white right-wing domestic terrorists than Muslim extremists."

Telstar

Telstar

(CNN)A man fatally stabbed two people and wounded a third on a commuter train in Oregon's largest city Friday as people confronted him for "yelling a gamut of anti-Muslim and anti-everything slurs," a Portland police spokesman said.

Jeremy Joseph Christian, 35, was on a Metropolitan Area Express (MAX) light-rail train in Portland late Friday afternoon when he started yelling what "would best be characterized as hate speech toward a variety of ethnicities and religions," police said in news release.

Christian may have directed slurs at two young women whom witnesses described as Muslim, one of whom was wearing a hijab, Portland police Sgt. Pete Simpson told CNN.

As two men tried to calm him down, Christian stabbed them and one other man, police said. The two men who died were identified Saturday as Ricky John Best , 53, of Happy Valley, and Taliesin Myrddin Namkai Meche, 23, of Portland.




http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/26/us/portland-train-stabbing/index.html

PkrBum

PkrBum

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/14/christians-most-persecuted-group-in-world-as-vicious-attacks-grow.html

It must be true... it's on the internet.

Telstar

Telstar

PkrBum wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/14/christians-most-persecuted-group-in-world-as-vicious-attacks-grow.html

It must be true... it's on the internet.




Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:"Not everything you read on the internet is true"  Abraham Lincoln

Query:  You disagree with my opening statement?  Show me where Islamic terrorists have killed more people than right wing extremists in America, since 9-11.

No... that's your assertion. It's you that should produce a reliable source. I call bs.

"Since Sept. 11, 2001, more people have been killed and injured in the United States by white right-wing domestic terrorists than Muslim extremists."

I'm happy with what I cited. Do your own research, if you know how.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

PkrBum wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/14/christians-most-persecuted-group-in-world-as-vicious-attacks-grow.html

It must be true... it's on the internet.

Good flying grief, the claim that you were Trying to refute was that IN THIS COUNTRY more people have been killed by right wing extremists than by ISIS types since the 911 attacks and you post an article from Fox News listing persecution of Christians AROUND THE WORLD! Missed the target totally. Get a grip. Wrong topic.

PkrBum

PkrBum

Ok... here's my assertion:

This century more people have been killed and injured in the United States by radical Islamists than white right-wing domestic terrorists.

Telstar

Telstar

PkrBum wrote:Ok... here's my assertion:

This century more people have been killed and injured in the United States by radical Islamists than white right-wing domestic terrorists.
Our Own Right Wing Extremist-racists are more dangerous here than ISIS! Pkr_as14

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:Ok... here's my assertion:

This century more people have been killed and injured in the United States by radical Islamists than white right-wing domestic terrorists.


All of which means that right wing domestic terrorists and Islamic terrorists need to be exterminated. I'm glad we agree on something at last ...

PkrBum

PkrBum

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Ok... here's my assertion:

This century more people have been killed and injured in the United States by radical Islamists than white right-wing domestic terrorists.


All of which means that right wing domestic terrorists and Islamic terrorists need to be exterminated.  I'm glad we agree on something at last ...

That's easy to agree upon. But i don't buy into the collection of our info (and other patriot act/ndaa bs).

The police state is out of control from top to bottom.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-militants-bigger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html

"...According to Arie Perliger, director of terrorism studies at the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, the three ideologies within the violent American far-right are racist, anti-federalist and fundamentalist. Each has subgroups—the racists include white supremacy groups such as the KKK, neo-Nazis and skinheads, which can differ in subtle ways. The anti-federalists include militias, self-defined “patriot” groups and what are so-called “sovereign citizens,’’ who hold that they are legally bound only by their personal interpretation of common law and are otherwise not subject to federal, state or local laws. The fundamentalists are primarily Christian identity groups that believe the biblical war of good vs. evil is between descendants of Anglo-Saxon nations and all other ethnic groups. Tangential to the fundamentalists are the anti-abortion attackers, who also invoke religion as a foundational motive for their violence. These disparate groups of people—violent and nonviolent—pine for different versions of a highly idealized past.

The granddaddy of the three in the United States is the racist movement, the modern iteration of which is usually traced to the formation of the KKK in 1865. The Christian Identity movement began a few decades later, with the emergence of believers who subscribed to the theology of John Wilson, a British man who argued that the lost tribes of Israel had settled in northern Europe. The anti-federalists are much younger, exploding onto the scene in the early 1990s with prominent groups such as the Militia of Montana and the Michigan Militia; many experts maintain that the movement was a product of the financial crisis for farms in the 1980s, rapid economic and cultural change, and the adoption of gun control and environmental protection laws.

In recent years, an explosion in the number of militias has been linked by experts to the beginning of the Great Recession in December 2007 and the election of Barack Obama months later. In 2008, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, there were 42 militia groups; today, there are 276.

And although they are frequently dismissed as people with crazy beliefs, right-wing extremists often seem like the guy next door. While experts say many of these individuals are paranoid and narcissistic, with strong anti-democratic tendencies, “the most common trait among terrorists is normalcy,” says Perliger of West Point..."

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PkrBum

PkrBum

Those damn democrats and their institutions of racism... from the civil war to the kkk to eugenics... etc.

When do we get to rid our country of the subversive left?

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Our Own Right Wing Extremist-racists are more dangerous here than ISIS! Danzcolorplus7056-1

2seaoat



It is interesting that PK uses the arbitrary "this century" qualifier to get stats he thinks are more favorable to his position. The truth is that since 1900 there is probably a tenfold death by right wing domestic terrorist, than ALL the other terrorist who have attacked individuals in America.

Jim Crow was still in existence in 1980 Birmingham as the Federal Government had people in court for color based discriminatory schemes, whether collecting charitable donations to wages. Those very forces which pushed Jim Crow are still alive today in America even though they are in old age, and to the last one they switched from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party. To argue that the current Democrats are connected to the Dixiecrats makes as much sense as arguing the LA Lakers are a Championship team because in the past they won championships. The Dixiecrats split off from the Democratic Party in the late forties with Senator Thurmond leading the charge, and through 1980 those racist elements transitioned over to the Republican Party. To not have the integrity to recognize who are the Dixiecrats and to argue that the Current Democratic Party were advocating to break away from the union and have unequal protection of the law is bone chilling stupid, or dishonest. Neither are something that a person of principles would be proud.

PkrBum

PkrBum

What's really stupid is believing a narrative that doesn't have solid evidence to support it. Face it... this is what you've been conditioned to believe. The truth is... the dems have enslaved minorities yet again under the pretence of concern and the wisp of smoke that is "social justice". It's perverse... you ought to slap yourself in the face and WAKE UP..!! Humans don't need your fucking help... they need you to mind your own damn business unless harm is done to another. Leftist gall is a learned behavior... completely artificial.

Guest


Guest

PkrBum wrote:What's really stupid is believing a narrative that doesn't have solid evidence to support it.

The truth is... the dems have enslaved minorities yet again...  

Where's the "solid evidence" to support that ludicrous assertion?

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PkrBum wrote:What's really stupid is believing a narrative that doesn't have solid evidence to support it. Face it... this is what you've been conditioned to believe. The truth is... the dems have enslaved minorities yet again under the pretence of concern and the wisp of smoke that is "social justice". It's perverse... you ought to slap yourself in the face and WAKE UP..!! Humans don't need your fucking help... they need you to mind your own damn business unless harm is done to another. Leftist gall is a learned behavior... completely artificial.

People don't help each other? You are an effing moron. What you meant to say is that YOU DON'T HELP ANYONE.

2seaoat



Let us make this simple for folks who cannot conceptualize. A political party is a dynamic group of people grouped together by usually a party platform. A state is a static non changing political boundary within the United States. A group of terrorist states attacked the United States and it was not a political party which defined the rebellion, but a series of traitorous states.

The Republican Party carried by close to 80% Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas, South Carolina, and was a large majority in Tennessee, Kentucky, Texas, North Carolina, and Florida in the 2016 election. Those states were democratic after the whig party transitioned into the Republican Party in the ten years before the civil war, and remained majority democratic under Jim Crow laws until after WWII when civil rights changes were changing the face of America. The Dixiecrats rebelled against equal protection of the law and stood at the school house door, and found the Democratic Party was hostile to their Jim Crow separate but equal policies. By the time of the Johnson administration those states had started transitioning to the Republican Party which using the dog whistle, war on crime, war on drugs, limited access to polling places, and a complete war on affirmative action.

So the idea that Democrats are part and parcel of the Alt right terrorists is just an intelligence thing. Alternative facts do not work. The truth is simple. If you are in Alabama you are more likely to be a Republican than a Democrat. If you are in Alabama, your grandparent were more likely to have been a democrat. Domestic Terrorists have traditionally dominated terrorists acts since 1900 and before. There are exceptions, but the De Jure Jim Crow laws were a real shock for a teenager from Chicago who whistled at a white woman.

Principled individuals do not spread misinformation and false facts. They do not create false analogies. The truth is simple. More Americans have died from domestic terrorists than any outside threat. Arbitrarily try to change time periods, try to change party platforms to something they were not, and deny that hate is ultimately behind the Trump victory, but in the end, educated and truthful people of principle will simply laugh out loud at sophistry.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:Those damn democrats and their institutions of racism... from the civil war to the kkk to eugenics... etc.

When do we get to rid our country of the subversive left?


You don't. You and your deplorable ilk don't need any help from the left. You're managing to destroy your party all on your own.

VectorMan

VectorMan

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Ok... here's my assertion:

This century more people have been killed and injured in the United States by radical Islamists than white right-wing domestic terrorists.


All of which means that right wing domestic terrorists and Islamic terrorists need to be exterminated.  I'm glad we agree on something at last ...

What about the left wing domestic terrorists? You're okay with them?

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