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Oh, how he LOVES the spotlight! Now everyone is watching him to see if he'll "put America first" and withdraw from the Climate agreement. I think many companies, states and cities will continue as if this won't make any difference to them. They realize that it is logical to stay on the path set out in the agreement. Guterres is the current UN secretary general.

Just another example of Trump's leadership skills. He's leading but 146 other countries are not following.


The landmark agreement was signed in December 2015 and has been ratified by 147 countries, including the US.

To underline the importance of the agreement, and other UN climate goals, Guterres spoke broadly about the threats climate change poses to the world, saying “the world is in a mess” because countries and communities everywhere are facing pressures such as overpopulation, water scarcity and food insecurity.

He warned that “climate change is a multiplier of many other threats” including poverty, displacement and conflict, and that the people hit “first and worst” by climate change are the poor, vulnerable and marginalized.

“It’s absolutely essential that the world implements the Paris agreement and that we fulfill that duty with increased ambition,” he said.

Last week, Guterres told the BBC the agreement would “not collapse” if the US backed out. “I think it is very important that the American government stays engaged, but this is not the end of the world,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/30/paris-climate-deal-un-us-donald-trump

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Good... it's just another leftist redistribution scheme... and no serious agreement would leave out china.

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PkrBum wrote:Good... it's just another leftist redistribution scheme... and no serious agreement would leave out china.

Not apparently one of the original signers to the agreement, China did sign on 9 months ago.

China has announced its ratification of the Paris climate change agreement, paving the way for a hotly anticipated joint US-China statement on the fight against global warming later on Saturday.

In a brief dispatch on Saturday morning, China’s official news agency, Xinhua, said members of the country’s rubber-stamp parliament, the National People’s Congress, had voted “to review and ratify” the historic deal.

The decision to ratify the Paris deal was in line with “China’s policy of actively dealing with climate change,” the approved National People’s Congress proposal argued, according to a Xinhua report issued on Saturday.

Ratifying the agreement would “further advance China’s green, low-carbon development and safeguard environmental security”, it said. The move was also “conducive to China’s development interests”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/03/china-ratifies-paris-climate-change-agreement

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China has surprisingly been stepping up to the plate where climate change is concerned.  They have a lot of catching up to do, but they've figured out, it ain't no hoax.  

Now if we can only get our republican leaders to understand the gravity of the situation... We would all be able to breathe a little easier.

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The thing about the Paris accord is that it's not legally binding and is entirely voluntary.

Trump's decision to pull out of the agreement will be nothing more than posturing and signalling that his administration does not give a shit about reaching consensus with the global community.

And, that position appeals to his knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing base for whatever reason, and that is all he cares about at this point.

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panhandler wrote:China has surprisingly been stepping up to the plate where climate change is concerned.  They have a lot of catching up to do, but they've figured out, it ain't no hoax.  

Now if we can only get our republican leaders to understand the gravity of the situation... We would all be able to breathe a little easier.

Speaking of breathing a little easier, the problems of air pollution have been in China's face for a long time. Remember when they had to shut down factories during the Olympics because the air was so foul? They have seen the results of ignoring the environment and know it has a detrimental effect on health and the economy.

Speaking on Saturday afternoon, at the opening of the B20 business forum in Hangzhou, China’s president made no direct reference to his country’s decision to ratify the Paris agreement. But Xi said China would continue to confront the causes of climate change and environmental degradation and vowed to close coal mines and steel mills as part of that effort.

“I have said many times that green mountains and clear water are as good as mountains of gold and silver. To protect the environment is to protect productivity and to improve the environment is to boost productivity,” Xi said. “We will unwaveringly pursue sustainable development and stay committed to green, low-carbon and circular development and to China’s fundamental policy of conserving resources and protecting the environment. In promoting green development we also aim to address climate change and over capacity.”

He added: “We will make China a beautiful country with a blue sky, green vegetation and clear rivers so that our people can enjoy their lives in a liveable environment with the ecological benefits created by economic development.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/03/china-ratifies-paris-climate-change-agreement

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Ya... China will step up... in 2030... maybe... lol.

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U.S. carbon dioxide emissions seen falling over next decade

http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/USA-CLIMATECHANGE-EMISSIONS/010041EJ31W/index.html

U.S. carbon emissions projected to decline even if U.S. exits from Paris climate deal.

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It's a good thing to keep our air, water and general environment in a good clean condition. No doubt about that. The problem is the Paris Accord isn't about saving mother earth. It's about spreading America's wealth around the world. Which could be a good thing if done properly. But, as it stands, this is NOT a good idea. Built on lies. Ate up by liberals wanting to control every part of everyone else's lives. Damn dumb ideas fail. What do you libs want next?  

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A world govt... which will of course be highly authoritarian... much to their surprise.

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When President Trump announced at 3 p.m. Thursday that he would be pulling the U.S. from the Paris climate accord, the Weather Channel editors were ready. They turned the “official homepage of Mother Nature” — usually devoted to tornadoes, blizzards, heat waves and hurricanes — into a not-so-subtle protest.

“So, What Happens to Earth Now?” said one headline that appeared on its home page.

“Still Don’t Care? Proof You Should,” said another, linking to a story about “ghost forests” that are dying off as a result of rising tides and sea levels.

A story headlined “…and More Proof…” appeared, along with “…and even More Proof…”

“Or the Imminent Collapse of a Key Ice Shelf”

“…Or Antarctica Turning Green…”

“…Or California’s Coast Disappearing Into The Sea…”

The layout, though updated throughout the afternoon, stayed nearly the same through Friday morning.

The home page sent unsuspecting readers — including the millions of people simply checking the daily temperature — a pointed message: pay attention.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/06/02/weather-channel-sends-trump-a-message-still-dont-care-proof-you-should/?utm_term=.c2c98eb15ed9

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It's funny to me that Trump whines that there aren't many Chevrolets being sold in Germany... and then he wants to de-regulate "confining" standards that would keep American cars from being sold in Europe at all. And he's generating general ill-will toward our country. People are less likely to buy goods from people they think are assholes.

I'm no tree-hugger, but Trump is making some really stupid decisions regarding the environment, even on a pure business sense. Once he reaches a point where he can no longer coast on the momentum of Obama's economy, things are likely to turn pretty ugly. I hope not, but he's not building anything good here. This looks like another case of Republicans-fuck-up-and-make-a-huge-mess-of-everything-and-then-Democrats-have-to-come-in-and-do-clean-up-while-Republicans-whine-it's-not-being-done-fast-enough. I don't know how long the country wants to keep running that pattern before they'll figure out they should stop letting the mess-makers take a turn.

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zsomething wrote:It's funny to me that Trump whines that there aren't many Chevrolets being sold in Germany... and then he wants to de-regulate "confining" standards that would keep American cars from being sold in Europe at all.  And he's generating general ill-will toward our country.  People are less likely to buy goods from people they think are assholes.

I'm no tree-hugger, but Trump is making some really stupid decisions regarding the environment, even on a pure business sense.  Once he reaches a point where he can no longer coast on the momentum of Obama's economy, things are likely to turn pretty ugly.  I hope not, but he's not building anything good here.   This looks like another case of Republicans-fuck-up-and-make-a-huge-mess-of-everything-and-then-Democrats-have-to-come-in-and-do-clean-up-while-Republicans-whine-it's-not-being-done-fast-enough.   I don't know how long the country wants to keep running that pattern before they'll figure out they should stop letting the mess-makers take a turn.

lol! lol! lol!

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PkrBum wrote: Ya... China will step up... in 2030... maybe... lol.

In case you missed it...



China is canceling plans to build more than 100 coal-fired power plants, seeking to rein in runaway, wasteful investment in the sector while moving the country away from one of the dirtiest forms of electricity generation, the government announced in a directive made public this week.

The announcement, made by China’s National Energy Administration, cancels 103 projects that were planned or under construction, eliminating 120 gigawatts of future coal-fired capacity. That includes dozens of projects in 13 provinces, mostly in China’s coal-rich north and west, on which construction had already begun. Those projects alone would have had a combined output of 54 gigawatts, more than the entire coal-fired capacity of Germany, according to figures compiled by Greenpeace.

The cancellations make it likelier that China will meet its goal of limiting its total coal-fired power generation capacity to 1,100 gigawatts by 2020. That huge figure, three times the total coal-fired capacity in the United States, is far more than China needs. Its coal plants now run at about half of capacity, and new sources of power, like wind, solar and nuclear, are coming online at a fast clip.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/world/asia/china-coal-power-plants-pollution.html

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They're simply mitigating the poor quality of life suffered when there are NO controls on pollution.

We went through the same thing.

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PkrBum wrote:They're simply mitigating the poor quality of life suffered when there are NO controls on pollution.

We went through the same thing.

They are motivated by the Paris agreement. Your snide post about them MAYbe doing something by 2030 is disingenuous and uninformed.

There is a lot of news surrounding Trumps decision. Mayors and governors in this country and leaders all over the world are doubling down on their commitment to the Paris Accords. Corporations are also disregarding the orange one and continuing with plans to expand renewable energy. This is the area that is expanding. This is where the new jobs and products will be developed. Trump is so out of step. He thinks he is leading but he's just going over a cliff all by himself on this one. It just makes him look (more) stupid.



Chinese premier Li Keqiang (right) with European commission president Jean-Claude Juncker. Both spoke of a commitment to tackling global warming. Photograph: Francois Lenoir/Reuters

The European Union has rejected Donald Trump’s offer to renegotiate the Paris climate agreement and pledged instead to bypass Washington to work with US business leaders and state governors to implement the historic accord’s commitments.

Less than 24 hours after the US president announced his decision to withdraw from the 2015 agreement and strike a new, less ambitious deal with the rest of the world, Brussels declared its outright refusal to engage in such talks.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/02/european-leaders-vow-to-keep-fighting-global-warming-despite-us-withdrawal

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Uninformed? Lol... you're only looking headline deep from a deeply biased media. China made no commitment to cut absolute greenhouse gas emissions... they promised to "peak" emissions by 2030. While Obama sold us out to cut emissions 26-28 percent below 2005 levels by 2025. The leftists in this country seem so pleased to sell out America. I just wish y'all could understand what that means right now... not when it's too late.

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PkrBum wrote:Uninformed? Lol... you're only looking headline deep from a deeply biased media. China made no commitment to cut absolute greenhouse gas emissions... they promised to "peak" emissions by 2030. While Obama sold us out to cut emissions 26-28 percent below 2005 levels by 2025. The leftists in this country seem so pleased to sell out America. I just wish y'all could understand what that means right now... not when it's too late.



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Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html

The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.

A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.

The report claimed that the ‘pause’ or ‘slowdown’ in global warming in the period since 1998 – revealed by UN scientists in 2013 – never existed, and that world temperatures had been rising faster than scientists expected. Launched by NOAA with a public relations fanfare, it was splashed across the world’s media, and cited repeatedly by politicians and policy makers.

But the whistleblower, Dr John Bates, a top NOAA scientist with an impeccable reputation, has shown The Mail on Sunday irrefutable evidence that the paper was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data.

It was never subjected to NOAA’s rigorous internal evaluation process – which Dr Bates devised.

His vehement objections to the publication of the faulty data were overridden by his NOAA superiors in what he describes as a ‘blatant attempt to intensify the impact’ of what became known as the Pausebuster paper.

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PkrBum wrote:Uninformed? Lol... you're only looking headline deep from a deeply biased media. China made no commitment to cut absolute greenhouse gas emissions... they promised to "peak" emissions by 2030. While Obama sold us out to cut emissions 26-28 percent below 2005 levels by 2025. The leftists in this country seem so pleased to sell out America. I just wish y'all could understand what that means right now... not when it's too late.

Looks like China is doing its part. By "selling out America" you must mean moving ahead in research and development of renewable energy, battery technology etc.? Our "buggy whip" president is only looking to his buddies in Russia who want to drill baby drill. I don't think trying to save the planet equates with selling out America, quite the opposite.

China said its CO2 emissions in 2017 will drop 1 percent from 2016, making it the fourth consecutive year of either zero growth or a decline in the country's emissions.

The forecast by China's National Energy Administration is encouraging news in the effort to slow climate change. It also comes as the climate world looks to China for leadership as the U.S. appears to be abdicating its leading role on climate policy. China and the U.S. are the world's two leading emitters  and the U.S. has a much greater responsibility for climate change because of what it has emitted historically.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/28022017/chinas-co2-reduction-clean-energy-trump-us

Assessment

China’s CO2 emissions appear to have peaked more than a decade ahead of its Paris Agreement commitment to peak its CO2 emissions before 2030. The latest analysis from the Climate Action Tracker indicates that these emissions may, in fact, already have stopped increasing and reached peak levels.

The ongoing reduction in coal use for the third year in a row has had a major impact, and, if they were to continue at similar rates in the next decade, total Chinese GHG emissions will only show a very slight increase in the period 2015–2030, and essentially plateau at close to 12.0 GtCO2e/year. However, the absence of comparable commitments on other, non-CO2, gases means that total greenhouse gas emissions could continue to increase until at least 2030.

China’s policies and actions appear ambitious enough to potentially overachieve the CO2 goal in its Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC), as well as its national targets. The NDC itself, however, is not ambitious enough to limit warming to below 2°C, let alone the 1.5°C limit in the Paris Agreement, unless other countries make much deeper reductions and comparably greater effort than China, which is why the CAT rates it Medium.

http://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china.html

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PkrBum wrote:Uninformed? Lol... you're only looking headline deep from a deeply biased media. China made no commitment to cut absolute greenhouse gas emissions... they promised to "peak" emissions by 2030. While Obama sold us out to cut emissions 26-28 percent below 2005 levels by 2025. The leftists in this country seem so pleased to sell out America. I just wish y'all could understand what that means right now... not when it's too late.

Looks like China is doing its part. By "selling out America" you must mean moving ahead in research and development of renewable energy, battery technology etc.? Our "buggy whip" president is only looking to his buddies in Russia who want to drill baby drill. I don't think trying to save the planet equates with selling out America, quite the opposite.

China said its CO2 emissions in 2017 will drop 1 percent from 2016, making it the fourth consecutive year of either zero growth or a decline in the country's emissions.

The forecast by China's National Energy Administration is encouraging news in the effort to slow climate change. It also comes as the climate world looks to China for leadership as the U.S. appears to be abdicating its leading role on climate policy. China and the U.S. are the world's two leading emitters  and the U.S. has a much greater responsibility for climate change because of what it has emitted historically.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/28022017/chinas-co2-reduction-clean-energy-trump-us

Assessment

China’s CO2 emissions appear to have peaked more than a decade ahead of its Paris Agreement commitment to peak its CO2 emissions before 2030. The latest analysis from the Climate Action Tracker indicates that these emissions may, in fact, already have stopped increasing and reached peak levels.

The ongoing reduction in coal use for the third year in a row has had a major impact, and, if they were to continue at similar rates in the next decade, total Chinese GHG emissions will only show a very slight increase in the period 2015–2030, and essentially plateau at close to 12.0 GtCO2e/year. However, the absence of comparable commitments on other, non-CO2, gases means that total greenhouse gas emissions could continue to increase until at least 2030.

China’s policies and actions appear ambitious enough to potentially overachieve the CO2 goal in its Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC), as well as its national targets. The NDC itself, however, is not ambitious enough to limit warming to below 2°C, let alone the 1.5°C limit in the Paris Agreement, unless other countries make much deeper reductions and comparably greater effort than China, which is why the CAT rates it Medium.

http://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china.html







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I've detailed what noaa did to erase the hiatus and the temps they're reporting now. It's not near science.

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