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RealLindaL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Gotta love transparency... when it's the other team... lol.

What part of the original quote here, "The decision to withhold the records marks a drastic change from the Obama administration, which posted the visitor logs online," don't you understand???

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31373407/ns/politics-white_house/t/obama-blocks-list-visitors-white-house/

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RealLindaL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Gotta love transparency... when it's the other team... lol.

What part of the original quote here, "The decision to withhold the records marks a drastic change from the Obama administration, which posted the visitor logs online," don't you understand???

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31373407/ns/politics-white_house/t/obama-blocks-list-visitors-white-house/

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RealLindaL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Gotta love transparency... when it's the other team... lol.

What part of the original quote here, "The decision to withhold the records marks a drastic change from the Obama administration, which posted the visitor logs online," don't you understand???

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31373407/ns/politics-white_house/t/obama-blocks-list-visitors-white-house/

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Suggestion: post the link or article that you're referring to so readers will have an idea as to what you are talking about.

The article you reference is very old, 2009. Here is a more up to date report:


Visitor Access Records
As part of President Obama's commitment to government transparency, we are providing records of White House visitors on an ongoing basis online. In December 2009 we began posting all White House visitor records for the period from September 15th onwards under the terms of our voluntary disclosure policy. In addition, as part of our new policy, we post records dating from January 20th that are specifically requested on an ongoing basis. For more information, read the White House blog post announcing the new policy.

More than 5.99 Million Records Released
December 30, 2016 3:00 PM

Today's record release brings the total number of records made public by this White House to more than 5.99 million.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/visitor-records

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Thanks, othershoe. cheers

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RealLindaL wrote:Thanks, othershoe.    cheers





You beat me to it. Thanks othershoe.

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I simply and completely disagree. The Russians and other advanced intelligence gathering nations know what each of the state department specialist do. They know what area of command certain generals have under their control. Transparency in my mind assumes that government does everything corruptly. I believe for the most part most functions of the highest levels of the pentagon, state department and cabinet should have a firewall. Democracy is the best. However, when our strengths can be turned against us, then we weaken our nation and there are forces which will insist in less democracy and more autocracy.

I think two years is sufficient, but would accept each fiscal year the visitor logs being released. Putting who is visiting the White House online and in real time is for fuzzy thinking folks who do not recognize we have enemies. The Russians are butchers. Their intelligence system can know if we are bluffing or for real simply because some insist that we show them our cards.

I voted for Hillary. I purchased signs for Hillary. I think President Trump is an American tragedy. However, I do not let my personal feelings and distrust of the man color common sense. I think some folks here simply guarantee that autocratic leaders will be in our future until common sense returns to the Democratic Party and the shrill over reaction on every issue stops. Identify core issues and gut this evil. To argue that visitor logs should be released in a couple days is simply not using common sense.

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othershoe1030 wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
RealLindaL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Gotta love transparency... when it's the other team... lol.

What part of the original quote here, "The decision to withhold the records marks a drastic change from the Obama administration, which posted the visitor logs online," don't you understand???

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31373407/ns/politics-white_house/t/obama-blocks-list-visitors-white-house/

silent
Suggestion: post the link or article that you're referring to so readers will have an idea as to what you are talking about.

The article you reference is very old, 2009. Here is a more up to date report:


Visitor Access Records
As part of President Obama's commitment to government transparency, we are providing records of White House visitors on an ongoing basis online. In December 2009 we began posting all White House visitor records for the period from September 15th onwards under the terms of our voluntary disclosure policy. In addition, as part of our new policy, we post records dating from January 20th that are specifically requested on an ongoing basis. For more information, read the White House blog post announcing the new policy.

More than 5.99 Million Records Released
December 30, 2016 3:00 PM

Today's record release brings the total number of records made public by this White House to more than 5.99 million.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/visitor-records

Sooo... Trump is taking the same position that Obama took at the same period in his presidency.

Omg... I'm glad I was sitting down... lol.

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2seaoat wrote:I think some folks here simply guarantee that autocratic leaders will be in our future.

AUTOCRACY THRIVES UNDER COVER OF DARKNESS.

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PkrBum wrote:Sooo... Trump is taking the same position that Obama took at the same period in his presidency.

Fits perfectly with the Trump administration's continuing efforts to take us backward.



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PkrBum wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
RealLindaL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Gotta love transparency... when it's the other team... lol.

What part of the original quote here, "The decision to withhold the records marks a drastic change from the Obama administration, which posted the visitor logs online," don't you understand???

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31373407/ns/politics-white_house/t/obama-blocks-list-visitors-white-house/

silent
Suggestion: post the link or article that you're referring to so readers will have an idea as to what you are talking about.

The article you reference is very old, 2009. Here is a more up to date report:


Visitor Access Records
As part of President Obama's commitment to government transparency, we are providing records of White House visitors on an ongoing basis online. In December 2009 we began posting all White House visitor records for the period from September 15th onwards under the terms of our voluntary disclosure policy. In addition, as part of our new policy, we post records dating from January 20th that are specifically requested on an ongoing basis. For more information, read the White House blog post announcing the new policy.

More than 5.99 Million Records Released
December 30, 2016 3:00 PM

Today's record release brings the total number of records made public by this White House to more than 5.99 million.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/visitor-records

Sooo... Trump is taking the same position that Obama took at the same period in his presidency.

Omg... I'm glad I was sitting down... lol.





So now what was Obama hiding when he didn't divulge his returns, comrade pain boy?

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[b]AUTOCRACY THRIVES UNDER COVER OF DARKNESS.
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Agree. However, not releasing visitor logs until the end of a fiscal year is not darkness. It allows a democracy to work effectively against autocratic governments who leverage our democracy and free access to our records to harm this nation. At what point do we draw a line and say enough. I could see that October when I was in fifth grade during the Cuban missile crisis showing all the admirals and generals meeting with the President where the Russians did not back down but figured their only chance was a first strike. It is insanity to have a CEO post online who he meets with in real time, or even the manager of the local football team who is trying to recruit a tight end........somethings need darkness in the immediate term. I am sorry, but if you want to release it before a year, let it go to a bipartisan committee who can review the log and ask the White House questions which are secure and not public. This is stupid. I know folks want to associate this with President Trump, but If I was President I would immediately have stopped the online visitor logs......I loved President Obama, but that was not one of his smarter moves.

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Oh for the good old days when presidents were able to see who they wanted when they wanted to.


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2seaoat wrote:[b]AUTOCRACY THRIVES UNDER COVER OF DARKNESS.
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Agree.  However, not releasing visitor logs until the end of a fiscal year is not darkness.   It allows a democracy to work effectively against autocratic governments who leverage our democracy and free access to our records to harm this nation.  At what point do we draw a line and say enough.  I could see that October when I was in fifth grade during the Cuban missile crisis showing all the admirals and generals meeting with the President where the Russians did not back down but figured their only chance was a first strike.  It is insanity to have a CEO post online who he meets with in real time, or even the manager of the local football team who is trying to recruit a tight end........somethings need darkness in the immediate term.  I am sorry, but if you want to release it before a year, let it go to a bipartisan committee who can review the log and ask the White House questions which are secure and not public.   This is stupid.  I know folks want to associate this with President Trump, but If I was President I would immediately have stopped the online visitor logs......I loved President Obama, but that was not one of his smarter moves.

Please cite one or two examples of when and how Obama's policy harmed anyone or anything.

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Gawd... lol.

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2seaoat wrote:[b]AUTOCRACY THRIVES UNDER COVER OF DARKNESS.
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Agree.  However, not releasing visitor logs until the end of a fiscal year is not darkness.   It allows a democracy to work effectively against autocratic governments who leverage our democracy and free access to our records to harm this nation.  At what point do we draw a line and say enough.  I could see that October when I was in fifth grade during the Cuban missile crisis showing all the admirals and generals meeting with the President where the Russians did not back down but figured their only chance was a first strike.  It is insanity to have a CEO post online who he meets with in real time, or even the manager of the local football team who is trying to recruit a tight end........somethings need darkness in the immediate term.  I am sorry, but if you want to release it before a year, let it go to a bipartisan committee who can review the log and ask the White House questions which are secure and not public.   This is stupid.  I know folks want to associate this with President Trump, but If I was President I would immediately have stopped the online visitor logs......I loved President Obama, but that was not one of his smarter moves.

Maybe we should look at the visitor logs for Mar-a-Lago, where he spends most of his time.

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Floridatexan wrote:
2seaoat wrote:[b]AUTOCRACY THRIVES UNDER COVER OF DARKNESS.
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Agree.

Maybe we should look at the visitor logs for Mar-a-Lago, where he spends most of his time.





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Please cite one or two examples of when and how Obama's policy harmed anyone or anything.


China and Russian knew every person who was visiting the White House. How that information was used to help their strategic position with the United States is not in my scope of knowledge. However, I can say with certainty if they did not have that information for a year, that immediate policy would not necessarily be delivered to them with a ribbon on top, and they would have to use traditional intelligence gathering tools. It is simple common sense. Just more MSNBC hysteria which absolutely once again misses the mark of what is important for this nation. The shrill continuous complaints are not about building coalitions to counter evil, but hubris and arrogance once again displacing common sense. Where is Joe Biden when we need him. In Syria, Crimea, and Ukraine, Russia did what they pleased, and a simple look at the logs would tell them.......no sweat.....a military response is not going to happen. President Obama was incredibly naive on this issue. Providing real time intelligence to our global enemies with the belief that this transparency is good for democracy......please beam me up scotty.

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I don't know why they don't just keep them public.

Not that many people can read Cyrillic anyway.

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I don't know why they don't just keep them public.

Not that many people can read Cyrillic anyway.
lol!

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2seaoat wrote:AUTOCRACY THRIVES UNDER COVER OF DARKNESS.
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Agree.  However, not releasing visitor logs until the end of a fiscal year is not darkness.   It allows a democracy to work effectively against autocratic governments who leverage our democracy and free access to our records to harm this nation.  At what point do we draw a line and say enough.  I could see that October when I was in fifth grade during the Cuban missile crisis showing all the admirals and generals meeting with the President where the Russians did not back down but figured their only chance was a first strike.  It is insanity to have a CEO post online who he meets with in real time, or even the manager of the local football team who is trying to recruit a tight end........somethings need darkness in the immediate term.  I am sorry, but if you want to release it before a year, let it go to a bipartisan committee who can review the log and ask the White House questions which are secure and not public.   This is stupid.  I know folks want to associate this with President Trump, but If I was President I would immediately have stopped the online visitor logs......I loved President Obama, but that was not one of his smarter moves.




Absolutely, what ever happened to security clearances and classified information. Did the former Presidency completely destroy it. There are things that should remain secret....meaning everyone is NOT ENTITLED to privileged information.

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This is my problem with the MSNBC rating fire up the base to make everything wrong that President Trump does, but it is shrill and it is stupid. Why not run ten minutes on what it means to lose meals on wheels. No ratings. Yet, people are going to be hurt by these budget choices and informing the public about the consequences.......nope.....it is better to feed this conspiracy theory that President Trump is meeting with Russians in the the White House and get this foaming at the mouth mob who have lost all common sense. If they are that will become public. However to demand online access to visitors....incredibly stupid and would have been one of the first things I would have done. I would like to have the detail of what the tax cuts were for the gutting of the ACA where millionaires now get money back this April......not one story....instead I have to listen to this drivel, and you wonder why people vote for Republicans......at some point some folks need to look in the mirror and say enough. Evil must be defeated and the ratings of these whores is doing nothing but hurt that battle.

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Shouldn't the bigger issue regarding taxation... be taxation? Not that one person paid enough, regardless of who they are.

As a tax payer, I would rather have the government look at rebuilding the whole taxation process. Currently it's more like a mafia style (we'll break your legs if you don't pay) system.

Makes me sick to my stomach.

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wolfhouse wrote:Shouldn't the bigger issue regarding taxation... be taxation? Not that one person paid enough, regardless of who they are.

As a tax payer, I would rather have the government look at rebuilding the whole taxation process. Currently it's more like a mafia style (we'll break your legs if you don't pay) system.

Makes me sick to my stomach.

Are you ESL? You don't seem to be able to express yourself very well in that language.

Look, sport, take a couple remedial classes at the local junior college or something. If you can't express yourself with at least a minimum of clarity and precision, nobody's gonna take you seriously.

The gibberish you're posting is not worthy of serious consideration, you twit!

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wolfhouse wrote:Shouldn't the bigger issue regarding taxation... be taxation? Not that one person paid enough, regardless of who they are.

As a tax payer, I would rather have the government look at rebuilding the whole taxation process. Currently it's more like a mafia style (we'll break your legs if you don't pay) system.

Makes me sick to my stomach.

Hello. This is the fist time I've seen your posts. Welcome to the forum. Just ignore rude-ness and carry on!

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othershoe1030 wrote:
Hello. This is the fist time I've seen your posts. Welcome to the forum. Just ignore rude-ness and carry on!

Oh, please, othershoe. Not one conservative on this forum can write a complete damn sentence. It's always a bunch of gibberish sprinkled with elipses.

It's disrespectful and insulting to the reader to do that and should be called out at every opportunity. Did you read all his posts? He comes on a forum and then doesn't have enough respect for the other participants to take the time to gather his thoughts and write coherent commentary. He's the rude one, I was just responding in kind.

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