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1 Our Dishonest President on 4/2/2017, 8:04 pm

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/

An extremely well composed and written editorial that says it all (for me):

It was no secret during the campaign that Donald Trump was a narcissist and a demagogue who used fear and dishonesty to appeal to the worst in American voters. The Times called him unprepared and unsuited for the job he was seeking, and said his election would be a “catastrophe.”

Still, nothing prepared us for the magnitude of this train wreck. Like millions of other Americans, we clung to a slim hope that the new president would turn out to be all noise and bluster, or that the people around him in the White House would act as a check on his worst instincts, or that he would be sobered and transformed by the awesome responsibilities of office.


Instead, seventy-some days in — and with about 1,400 to go before his term is completed — it is increasingly clear that those hopes were misplaced.

In a matter of weeks, President Trump has taken dozens of real-life steps that, if they are not reversed, will rip families apart, foul rivers and pollute the air, intensify the calamitous effects of climate change and profoundly weaken the system of American public education for all.

His attempt to de-insure millions of people who had finally received healthcare coverage and, along the way, enact a massive transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich has been put on hold for the moment. But he is proceeding with his efforts to defang the government’s regulatory agencies and bloat the Pentagon’s budget even as he supposedly retreats from the global stage.


It is impossible to know where his presidency will lead or how much damage he will do to our nation.

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These are immensely dangerous developments which threaten to weaken this country’s moral standing in the world, imperil the planet and reverse years of slow but steady gains by marginalized or impoverished Americans. But, chilling as they are, these radically wrongheaded policy choices are not, in fact, the most frightening aspect of the Trump presidency.

What is most worrisome about Trump is Trump himself. He is a man so unpredictable, so reckless, so petulant, so full of blind self-regard, so untethered to reality that it is impossible to know where his presidency will lead or how much damage he will do to our nation. His obsession with his own fame, wealth and success, his determination to vanquish enemies real and imagined, his craving for adulation — these traits were, of course, at the very heart of his scorched-earth outsider campaign; indeed, some of them helped get him elected. But in a real presidency in which he wields unimaginable power, they are nothing short of disastrous.

Although his policies are, for the most part, variations on classic Republican positions (many of which would have been undertaken by a President Ted Cruz or a President Marco Rubio), they become far more dangerous in the hands of this imprudent and erratic man. Many Republicans, for instance, support tighter border security and a tougher response to illegal immigration, but Trump’s cockamamie border wall, his impracticable campaign promise to deport all 11 million people living in the country illegally and his blithe disregard for the effect of such proposals on the U.S. relationship with Mexico turn a very bad policy into an appalling one.

In the days ahead, The Times editorial board will look more closely at the new president, with a special attention to three troubling traits:

1Trump’s shocking lack of respect for those fundamental rules and institutions on which our government is based. Since Jan. 20, he has repeatedly disparaged and challenged those entities that have threatened his agenda, stoking public distrust of essential institutions in a way that undermines faith in American democracy. He has questioned the qualifications of judges and the integrity of their decisions, rather than acknowledging that even the president must submit to the rule of law. He has clashed with his own intelligence agencies, demeaned government workers and questioned the credibility of the electoral system and the Federal Reserve. He has lashed out at journalists, declaring them “enemies of the people,” rather than defending the importance of a critical, independent free press. His contempt for the rule of law and the norms of government are palpable.

2His utter lack of regard for truth. Whether it is the easily disprovable boasts about the size of his inauguration crowd or his unsubstantiated assertion that Barack Obama bugged Trump Tower, the new president regularly muddies the waters of fact and fiction. It’s difficult to know whether he actually can’t distinguish the real from the unreal — or whether he intentionally conflates the two to befuddle voters, deflect criticism and undermine the very idea of objective truth. Whatever the explanation, he is encouraging Americans to reject facts, to disrespect science, documents, nonpartisanship and the mainstream media — and instead to simply take positions on the basis of ideology and preconceived notions. This is a recipe for a divided country in which differences grow deeper and rational compromise becomes impossible.

3His scary willingness to repeat alt-right conspiracy theories, racist memes and crackpot, out-of-the-mainstream ideas. Again, it is not clear whether he believes them or merely uses them. But to cling to disproven “alternative” facts; to retweet racists; to make unverifiable or false statements about rigged elections and fraudulent voters; to buy into discredited conspiracy theories first floated on fringe websites and in supermarket tabloids — these are all of a piece with the Barack Obama birther claptrap that Trump was peddling years ago and which brought him to political prominence. It is deeply alarming that a president would lend the credibility of his office to ideas that have been rightly rejected by politicians from both major political parties.

Where will this end? Will Trump moderate his crazier campaign positions as time passes? Or will he provoke confrontation with Iran, North Korea or China, or disobey a judge’s order or order a soldier to violate the Constitution? Or, alternately, will the system itself — the Constitution, the courts, the permanent bureaucracy, the Congress, the Democrats, the marchers in the streets — protect us from him as he alienates more and more allies at home and abroad, steps on his own message and creates chaos at the expense of his ability to accomplish his goals? Already, Trump’s job approval rating has been hovering in the mid-30s, according to Gallup, a shockingly low level of support for a new president. And that was before his former national security advisor, Michael Flynn, offered to cooperate last week with congressional investigators looking into the connection between the Russian government and the Trump campaign.

"Those who oppose the new president’s reckless and heartless agenda must make their voices heard."

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On Inauguration Day, we wrote on this page that it was not yet time to declare a state of “wholesale panic” or to call for blanket “non-cooperation” with the Trump administration. Despite plenty of dispiriting signals, that is still our view. The role of the rational opposition is to stand up for the rule of law, the electoral process, the peaceful transfer of power and the role of institutions; we should not underestimate the resiliency of a system in which laws are greater than individuals and voters are as powerful as presidents. This nation survived Andrew Jackson and Richard Nixon. It survived slavery. It survived devastating wars. Most likely, it will survive again.

But if it is to do so, those who oppose the new president’s reckless and heartless agenda must make their voices heard. Protesters must raise their banners. Voters must turn out for elections. Members of Congress — including and especially Republicans — must find the political courage to stand up to Trump. Courts must safeguard the Constitution. State legislators must pass laws to protect their citizens and their policies from federal meddling. All of us who are in the business of holding leaders accountable must redouble our efforts to defend the truth from his cynical assaults.

The United States is not a perfect country, and it has a great distance to go before it fully achieves its goals of liberty and equality. But preserving what works and defending the rules and values on which democracy depends are a shared responsibility. Everybody has a role to play in this drama.

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2 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/2/2017, 9:03 pm

For me, too, knot. Thank you for sharing this.

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3 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/2/2017, 9:54 pm

I have seen thirty people just like Donald Trump in real estate offices and Country Clubs. Daddy's money and a line of chit. Cheating on their wives. Cheating on their business partners. Cheating sub contractors. Driving the most flashy vintage car to the club to draw attention. Thinking they were better poker players, golfers, and business people than they were........and the best part is in their vanity, they never saw that people were not laughing with them, but they were laughing at them. One broker cheated folks and ended up in federal prison for ten years, and he best reminds me of Donald Trump.

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4 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/2/2017, 10:09 pm

2seaoat wrote:I have seen thirty people just like Donald Trump in real estate offices and Country Clubs.   Daddy's money and a line of chit.   Cheating on their wives.  Cheating on their business partners.   Cheating sub contractors.   Driving the most flashy vintage car to the club to draw attention.   Thinking they were better poker players, golfers, and business people than they were........and the best part is in their vanity, they never saw that people were not laughing with them, but they were laughing at them.  One broker cheated folks and ended up in federal prison for ten years, and he best reminds me of Donald Trump.




Only fake #45 ended up in the White House and not fed prison. Fake #45 knew how to sell his crap to red state arm pitters.

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5 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/3/2017, 8:38 am

knothead wrote:http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/


Our Dishonest President - Part One of a Four Part Series ...

... good gawd, how did we get here?

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6 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/3/2017, 8:47 am

Sal wrote:
knothead wrote:http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/


Our Dishonest President - Part One of a Four Part Series ...

... good gawd, how did we get here?






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7 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/3/2017, 10:06 am

Sal wrote:
knothead wrote:http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/


Our Dishonest President - Part One of a Four Part Series ...

... good gawd, how did we get here?

You bent over for the dnc ruling elite... the old white wealthy oligarchs... and they were horribly wrong.

SURPRISE..!!

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8 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/3/2017, 10:12 am

PkrBum wrote:
Sal wrote:
knothead wrote:http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/


Our Dishonest President - Part One of a Four Part Series ...

... good gawd, how did we get here?

You bent over for the dnc ruling elite... the old white wealthy oligarchs... and they were horribly wrong.

SURPRISE..!!






This place is getting dull. Make yourself useful and set up another poll to install a new moderator, steroid boy.

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9 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/3/2017, 10:15 am

PkrBum wrote:
Sal wrote:
knothead wrote:http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/


Our Dishonest President - Part One of a Four Part Series ...

... good gawd, how did we get here?

You bent over for the dnc ruling elite... the old white wealthy oligarchs... and they were horribly wrong.

SURPRISE..!!

I'm still waiting for the DNC leadership to accept responsibility for Trump getting elected. They ran their entitled old rich white woman up the flag pole and the Electoral College just said Meh....

Says a lot when Trump beats the Dem candidate who ran for office for years before "officially" running for office and STILL lost.....

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10 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/3/2017, 10:24 am

gatorfan wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
Sal wrote:
knothead wrote:http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/


Our Dishonest President - Part One of a Four Part Series ...

... good gawd, how did we get here?

You bent over for the dnc ruling elite... the old white wealthy oligarchs... and they were horribly wrong.

SURPRISE..!!

I'm still waiting for the DNC leadership to accept responsibility for Trump getting elected. They ran their entitled old rich white woman up the flag pole and the Electoral College just said Meh....

Says a lot when Trump beats the Dem candidate who ran for office for years before "officially" running for office and STILL lost.....






Hooray for fake #45 because he lied about the black guy in the big White House and mugged granny with the help of his Russian gang.

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11 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 10:56 am


(Part 2:)

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-why-trump-lies/

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12 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 12:09 pm

Where are the young democrats who are going to fill the void of old Democrats which obviously younger folks did not trust. Bernie is not going to be president in 2020, but please help me........where are the young leaders with hope and common sense for middle class America.

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13 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 12:34 pm

2seaoat wrote:Where are the young democrats who are going to fill the void of old Democrats which obviously younger folks did not trust.  Bernie is not going to be president in 2020, but please help me........where are the young leaders with hope and common sense for middle class America.  

I think you'll find that many of them are women. If Matt Gaetz is your idea of a rising young Republican, God help us all. He didn't even have the guts to put his whole name on his signs...people might Google and find his DUI conviction, and the fact that he didn't lose his license.

http://inweekly.net/wordpress/?p=28982

Outtakes—Gaetz’s Headache
By Rick Outzen

Congressman Matt Gaetz has a problem. He ran and promised Northwest Florida voters that he and President Donald Trump would repeal and replace Obamacare. Last week, campaign promises met reality, and reality won when House Speaker Paul Ryan pulled the legislation that would have repealed and replaced the Affordable Care Act, which the GOP has fought for years, to avoid a defeat on the House floor.

Trump and his advisors want to move to another issue, such as tax reform, but there’s a problem. If Republicans crumble on a core campaign promise when they control the legislative and executive branches, what other fights will they walk away from?

When I interviewed Gaetz on “Pensacola Speaks,” he was clearly frustrated.

“We’re not quitters,” he said. “You don’t give up. If you’ve made a promise, you keep it, and you don’t just move on to the next thing that you’re interested in.”

Rep. Gaetz spent his Monday trying to convince the other freshman representatives who were elected in the November 2016 election cycle to not surrender on healthcare reform.

“I think that you should vote,” said Gaetz, who called into the show from the nation’s capital. “I came here to vote, not to just have things fizzle because people are having challenges. I think that the country deserves to know who supported this bill and who didn’t.”

The congressman didn’t think the legislation was perfect, but he supported it.

“It would have, for the first time in a generation, reformed the Medicaid program that’s bankrupting the country,” he said.

He rattled off what he like about the GOP bill. “We would have had work requirements in Medicaid. States like Florida could have opted out of the federal system altogether and designed their own programs to care for the vulnerable. We were going to de-fund Planned Parenthood and the Obamacare Employer Mandate and the Individual Mandate, all these things the conservatives have been fighting for quite some time.”

Gaetz is convinced that if House Republicans don’t repeal Obamacare, the party will lose control of Congress.

“If we fail to repeal this law, I’m just telling you, Rick, you heard it here first. We will lose the majority in 2018, then what you’ll have is you’ll have Nancy Pelosi as Speaker, and she’ll probably impeach Donald Trump in the first 30 days of being Speaker,” he said.

“That’s what we’ll be going through if we’re unable to get our act together as Republicans and prove that we have the responsibility to govern.”

Stay tuned to see if Gaetz can sway his fellow lawmakers.

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14 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 12:35 pm

2seaoat wrote:Where are the young democrats who are going to fill the void of old Democrats which obviously younger folks did not trust.  Bernie is not going to be president in 2020, but please help me........where are the young leaders with hope and common sense for middle class America.  

Some of them are going to come out of this whole Trump/Russia thing. We're already starting to see some standouts like Swalwell and Schiff.

Read some of Swalwell's stuff. He's got his mojo working.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPQcpcmuO1U

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15 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 12:41 pm

I know some people who are still upset about Trump winning.

Here's how I look at it...

No matter who gets elected, it's business as usual. I live my life, do business, and try my best to avoid getting attacked by people who recognize themselves as government.

Other than news about this guy, how has your day to day life changed since he's been elected? I've ignored just about everything in the news and it's been great for me.

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16 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 12:55 pm

wolfhouse wrote:I know some people who are still upset about Trump winning.

Here's how I look at it...

I live my life, do business, and try my best to avoid getting attacked by people who recognize themselves as government.

There's the rub.

This may come as a great shock to you but as citizens we owe a duty to the greater good, to our fellow citizens and our progeny to:

"...establish justice, provide for the domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity..."

Get it now?

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17 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 2:01 pm

wolfhouse wrote:I know some people who are still upset about Trump winning.

Here's how I look at it...

No matter who gets elected, it's business as usual. I live my life, do business, and try my best to avoid getting attacked by people who recognize themselves as government.

Other than news about this guy, how has your day to day life changed since he's been elected? I've ignored just about everything in the news and it's been great for me.





So in what appears to be your first post on the politics page, you talk about ignoring just about everything in the news. You should get along well with Pkr Bum who ignores anything that isn't written on a deck of cards or a bottle of pills. Welcome to the forum. Neutral

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18 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 6:21 pm

General welfare meant a "benefit to all" back then. Not some social justice redistribution scheme.

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19 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 7:04 pm

PkrBum wrote:General welfare meant a "benefit to all" back then. Not some social justice redistribution scheme.

First off, no one with a brain the size of a Le Sueur pea would claim that it does refer to "some social justice redistribution scheme" and no one has. That's just your tiny, reactionary lizard-brain's knee-jerk take on the word welfare.

Secondly, all government spending is a form of redistribution, you twit! So apparently it's not redistribution that offends you, it's social justice. Social justice is a moral standard. It's why we, as a nation, do stuff like outlaw chattel slavery and require female suffrage.

Your deranged dog-eat-dog, I-got-mine-Up-yours! standard leaves us all in a state of constant conflict with each other.

Thomas Hobbes described that as a "state of nature" in which there are "no Arts, no Letters, no Society, and which is worst of all, continual Fear, and danger of violent death; And the life of man solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."

That last most felicitous turn of phrase might also, I suspect, be used to describe YOU, PkrBoy.

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20 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 7:08 pm

A quick multiple choice quiz:

Nasty, brutish and short:

A. Thomas Hobbes' description of the life of man in a state of nature.

B. PkrBoy

C. Sex with PkrBoy

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21 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 8:15 pm

del.capslock wrote:
PkrBum wrote:General welfare meant a "benefit to all" back then. Not some social justice redistribution scheme.

First off, no one with a brain the size of a Le Sueur pea would claim that it does refer to "some social justice redistribution scheme" and no one has. That's just your tiny, reactionary lizard-brain's knee-jerk take on the word welfare.

Secondly, all government spending is a form of redistribution, you twit! So apparently it's not redistribution that offends you, it's social justice. Social justice is a moral standard. It's why we, as a nation, do stuff like outlaw chattel slavery and require female suffrage.

Your deranged dog-eat-dog, I-got-mine-Up-yours! standard leaves us all in a state of constant conflict with each other.

Thomas Hobbes described that as a "state of nature" in which there are "no Arts, no Letters, no Society, and which is worst of all, continual Fear, and danger of violent death; And the life of man solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."

That last most felicitous turn of phrase might also, I suspect, be used to describe YOU, PkrBoy.

Damn!

TKO.


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22 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 8:37 pm

Aw shucks.

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23 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 9:34 pm

Sal wrote:
del.capslock wrote:
PkrBum wrote:General welfare meant a "benefit to all" back then. Not some social justice redistribution scheme.

First off, no one with a brain the size of a Le Sueur pea would claim that it does refer to "some social justice redistribution scheme" and no one has. That's just your tiny, reactionary lizard-brain's knee-jerk take on the word welfare.

Secondly, all government spending is a form of redistribution, you twit! So apparently it's not redistribution that offends you, it's social justice. Social justice is a moral standard. It's why we, as a nation, do stuff like outlaw chattel slavery and require female suffrage.

Your deranged dog-eat-dog, I-got-mine-Up-yours! standard leaves us all in a state of constant conflict with each other.

Thomas Hobbes described that as a "state of nature" in which there are "no Arts, no Letters, no Society, and which is worst of all, continual Fear, and danger of violent death; And the life of man solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."

That last most felicitous turn of phrase might also, I suspect, be used to describe YOU, PkrBoy.

Damn!

TKO.



I'll second that decision. cheers

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24 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 9:37 pm


Dell Caplock -- Welcome Aboard!!!!!

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25 Re: Our Dishonest President on 4/4/2017, 10:25 pm

wolfhouse wrote:I know some people who are still upset about Trump winning.

Here's how I look at it...

No matter who gets elected, it's business as usual. I live my life, do business, and try my best to avoid getting attacked by people who recognize themselves as government.

Other than news about this guy, how has your day to day life changed since he's been elected? I've ignored just about everything in the news and it's been great for me.

It's been great for you because the ramifications are just starting and your ignorance hasn't been tested yet. But hey, keep on w/ your head up your ass and let all the smart people do all the work and you reap the benefits. It's always been that way.

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