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Uhhhh we may be making it worse, and more expensive. Spicer then replied with a classic. We are open to any suggestions. These simple minded rubes think sound bites and half aszed capitulation to the wealthy is a health plan for America......it would be hysterical if it were not so tragic. Pace loved this guy as an example of a military tough guy.....he is like all the nerds who try to use the same to change his nerdism. What a fricking coward, and I was wrong.....the response in these town hall meetings are making a difference as real people with real health problems are telling the truth.....not the bubble Paul Ryan, Spicer, and clueless live.

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Public input... what a novel concept. I hope the process is messy... and contentious... and open.

A radical approach considering how obamacaid was shoved down our throat... I know.

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PkrBum wrote:Public input... what a novel concept. I hope the process is messy... and contentious... and open.

A radical approach considering how obamacaid was shoved down our throat... I know.

It is well past time that the right wing talking point of "Obamacare" being crammed down our throats be given up in favor of reality. It took many many months, countless hearings and meetings to pass this bill.

Fall 2008: Presidential candidate Barack Obama says, “On health care reform, the American people are too often offered two extremes — government-run health care with higher taxes or letting the insurance companies operate without rules. … I believe both of these extremes are wrong.” Obama wins the presidency a week later.

March 2009: President Obama convenes a “health summit” with doctors, insurers, drug companies, consumers advocates and lawmakers. “The status quo is the one option that is not on the table,” the new president says. He appoints Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, who has a history of clashes with the insurance industry, to run the federal Health and Human Services agency. She also heads the White House Office for Health Reform.

Nancy Pelosi speaker of HouseJuly 2009: House Democrats unveil their 1,000-page plan for overhauling the health care system. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (pictured), an ally of Obama’s, says: “When I take this bill to the floor, it will win. This will happen.” House committees begin crunching the details and voting on provisions.

August 2009: Lawmakers go home to find walls of worry erected over “Obamacare.” One lawmaker says citizens are “shell-shocked” over the many changes in the first eight months of Obama’s administration.

Nov. 7, 2009: The House approves its version of health care reform in a 220-215 vote. One Republican votes for the bill. Passage was far from certain — a last-minute compromise limiting federal funding for abortion services cleared the way.

Dec. 24, 2009: The Senate approves its version of the health care overhaul in a 60-39 party-line vote. Democrats have to break a GOP filibuster. The bill’s passage confirms majority agreement in both chambers of Congress.

January 2010: Obama, in his first State of the Union address, says the health overhaul will “protect every American from the worst practices of the insurance industry.” … In a major upset, Massachusetts state Sen. Scott Brown, a Republican, wins the special election to finish the remaining term of U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy. It gives the GOP a key vote and is seen as a major rebuff to Obama. Brown works actively against Obamacare. Meanwhile, the GOP-controlled House votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act, but the effort fails in the Senate.

February 2010: Anthem Blue Cross of California informs many members they’ll be paying a 39 percent increase in premiums. The move, under investigation by the White House and in Congress, galvanizes Democrats on the health care issue. Obama calls a bipartisan health care meeting for leaders of both parties on Feb. 25. He later says “the Republican and Democratic approaches to health care have more in common than most people think.”

March 2010: President Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi keep up pressure on Democrat lawmakers to ensure passage of the health care act. “We are this close to the summit of the mountain,” Obama tells staffers. A New York Times analysis calls it “the most riveting cliffhanger of the Obama presidency so far.”

March 21, 2010: The Senate’s version of the health care plan is OK’d by the House in a 219-212 vote. All Republicans voted against it. “The American people are angry,” House Republican leader John Boehner said. “This body moves forward against their will.”

obama signature health care actMarch 23, 2010: President Obama signs the Affordable Care Act into law. “We did not fear our future, we shaped it,” he says.

http://affordablehealthca.com/timeline-obamacare/

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PkrBum wrote:Public input... what a novel concept. I hope the process is messy... and contentious... and open.

A radical approach considering how obamacaid was shoved down our throat... I know.

You appear to know nothing.

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And y'all want to revise the facts. Obamacaid was forced thorough by any means necessary... lies, bribes, secret deals, give aways, misdirection, and NO compromise or support from republicans. It wasn't open to the public and didn't even have popular support. But only now are you favoring a fair/open process.

I wonder why?

Because the democrats and their ways have been rejected. Here's an idea... "shut up and sit in the back".

Guess who said that?

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I wonder why?

Pretty simple answer to that questions. The Republican leadership met immediately after the election of President Obama and vowed to obstruct him at every turn. Nothing more or less. Now instead of obstructing, they have to govern. Not as easy when one party decides to actively obstruct everything. Poor President Trump just cannot get his head around the reality. He is not doing a good job and he never will. His bill is DOA.

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The bill is just at a starting point. I don't like it so far either. But neither do many pubs.

The worst mistake they could make is to follow the Obamacaid recipe. That was really toxic.

And it's largely why you're on the outside looking in.

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PkrBum wrote:The bill is just at a starting point. I don't like it so far either. But neither do many pubs.

The worst mistake they could make is to follow the Obamacaid recipe. That was really toxic.

And it's largely why you're on the outside looking in.

The basic formula for the ACA was taken from a program authored by the Heritage Foundation and implemented by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts in 2006.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform

"The Commonwealth of Massachusetts passed a health care reform law in 2006 with the aim of providing health insurance to nearly all of its residents. The law mandated that nearly every resident of Massachusetts obtain a minimum level of insurance coverage, provided free health care insurance for residents earning less than 150% of the federal poverty level (FPL) and mandated employers with more than 10 "full-time" employees to provide healthcare insurance. The law was amended significantly in 2008 and twice in 2010 to make it consistent with the federal Affordable Care Act. Major revisions related to health care industry price controls were passed in August 2012, and the employer mandate was repealed in 2013 in favor of the federal mandate (even though enforcement of the federal mandate was delayed until January 2015).[1] Because Mitt Romney was the governor of Massachusetts at the time, the law has colloquially been called Romneycare, a reference to the nicknaming of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act as "Obamacare".[2]

Among its many effects, the law established an independent public authority, the Commonwealth Health Insurance Connector Authority, also known as the Massachusetts Health Connector. The Connector acts as an insurance broker to offer free, highly subsidized and full-price private insurance plans to residents, including through its web site. As such it is one of the models of the Affordable Care Act's health insurance exchanges. The 2006 Massachusetts law successfully covered approximately two-thirds of the state's then-uninsured residents, half via federal-government-paid-for Medicaid expansion (administered by MassHealth) and half via the Connector's free and subsidized network-tiered health care insurance for those not eligible for expanded Medicaid. Relatively few Massachusetts residents used the Connector to buy full-priced insurance..."

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Wimp gets yelled at by some Arkansas folks who are losing health care and this guy comes down from his ivory tower.....He is what I call a textbook politician......read the formula, join the military, go to an ivy league school, and then talk chit.......tough guy.......this traitor could not whip one of the girls on a freshman girls basketball team.....why are so many posers accepted in America when none of us would tolerate this person's act if he was a guest in our home.

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2seaoat wrote:Wimp gets yelled at by some Arkansas folks who are losing health care and this guy comes down from his ivory tower.....He is what I call a textbook politician......read the formula, join the military, go to an ivy league school, and then talk chit.......tough guy.......this traitor could not whip one of the girls on a freshman girls basketball team.....why are so many posers accepted in America when none of us would tolerate this person's act if he was a guest in our home.


He's another snowflake with a yellow streak instead of a backbone.

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2seaoat wrote:Wimp gets yelled at by some Arkansas folks who are losing health care and this guy comes down from his ivory tower.....He is what I call a textbook politician......read the formula, join the military, go to an ivy league school, and then talk chit.......tough guy.......this traitor could not whip one of the girls on a freshman girls basketball team.....why are so many posers accepted in America when none of us would tolerate this person's act if he was a guest in our home.

Seaoat, I'm pretty sure I could take him. And I bet he would run from me.

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Seaoat, I'm pretty sure I could take him. And I bet he would run from me.


Agree. I am probably biased against wimpy men trying to be tough guys because they served in the military. I used to get a kick out of butchmeup playing the tough guy role. I have to admit I have gained new respect for him challenging President Trump when he is wrong, and although I detest what Tom Cotton is, I must admit his standing up and telling the truth about the health care bill caught me by surprise.

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2seaoat wrote:Seaoat, I'm pretty sure I could take him. And I bet he would run from me.


Agree.  I am probably biased against wimpy men trying to be tough guys because they served in the military.  I used to get a kick out of butchmeup playing the tough guy role.  I have to admit I have gained new respect for him challenging President Trump when he is wrong, and although I detest what Tom Cotton is, I must admit his standing up and telling the truth about the health care bill caught me by surprise.

I have a real problem getting past the letter to Iran.

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