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This guy really needs to add to his playbook. Here we go again with an attempt at distracting attention from the Trump/Russia connection to ANYTHING else in the cosmos that might serve as a shiny object. Even the press is starting to tire of this worn out tactic. He sends another tweet storm early Saturday mornings when his minders are busy doing other things. There is a real pattern here. It is pathetic. He still doesn't know he's president.

Without citing evidence, Donald Trump on Saturday accused Barack Obama of a Watergate-style “wire tapping” of his offices in New York before the US presidential election, a move critics dismissed as an attempt to deflect attention from investigations of his ties to Russia.

The unprecedented attack by a president on his predecessor, made in a series of early morning tweets, stoked speculation that Trump’s remarks were prompted by stories circulating in rightwing media, including one that claimed Obama is attempting a “silent coup” against Trump.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/04/donald-trump-wiretap-barack-obama-coup

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Would you be surprised if he was wiretapped? Do you think it out of character for the Obama admin?

See: media wiretapping and whistleblower policies. Also don't forget Clapper lying about metadata.

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othershoe1030 wrote:This guy really needs to add to his playbook. Here we go again with an attempt at distracting attention from the Trump/Russia connection to ANYTHING else in the cosmos that might serve as a shiny object. Even the press is starting to tire of this worn out tactic. He sends another tweet storm early Saturday mornings when his minders are busy doing other things. There is a real pattern here. It is pathetic. He still doesn't know he's president.

Without citing evidence, Donald Trump on Saturday accused Barack Obama of a Watergate-style “wire tapping” of his offices in New York before the US presidential election, a move critics dismissed as an attempt to deflect attention from investigations of his ties to Russia.

The unprecedented attack by a president on his predecessor, made in a series of early morning tweets, stoked speculation that Trump’s remarks were prompted by stories circulating in rightwing media, including one that claimed Obama is attempting a “silent coup” against Trump.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/04/donald-trump-wiretap-barack-obama-coup





The sky is falling on #45's orange head, so sad. lol!

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I don't think he is able to tell the difference between right wing talk show rumors/fiction and his daily security briefings. I wish he'd stop going off half-cocked before he understands the situation. It is eroding any credibility he has left.

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othershoe1030 wrote:I don't think he is able to tell the difference between right wing talk show rumors/fiction and his daily security briefings. I wish he'd stop going off half-cocked before he understands the situation. It is eroding any credibility he has left.






lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

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It's not like tRump has been under any investigations or anything like that.

Oh wait. My bad. Yes he has.
And those can merit a tap. But I doubt it ever happened.

It's a smoke screen to take our eyes off this heavy russian connection investigation.

Lunatic in chief! Sad

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There could've been a wiretap,  but here's what a spokesman for Obama responded to Trump's tweets today:

Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said a "cardinal rule" of the Obama administration was that no White House official ever interfered in any Justice Department investigations, which are supposed to be conducted free of political influence.

"As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen," Lewis said, adding that "any suggestion otherwise is simply false."


Of course, false, paranoid accusations against Obama personally have been a mainstay of Trump's repertoire, and I only expect that to get worse.

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RealLindaL wrote:There could've been a wiretap,  but here's what a spokesman for Obama responded to Trump's tweets today:

Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said a "cardinal rule" of the Obama administration was that no White House official ever interfered in any Justice Department investigations, which are supposed to be conducted free of political influence.

"As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen," Lewis said, adding that "any suggestion otherwise is simply false."


Of course, false, paranoid accusations against Obama personally have been a mainstay of Trump's repertoire, and I only expect that to get worse.




"This is McCarthyism!" coming from a 1% who worshiped at the feet of his legal guru Roy Cohn, McCarthy's commie hunting lapdog. You just can't make this up. Laughing Laughing Laughing

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I thought this was a pretty good article from Wired explaining how legal wiretaps Could have been set up. The points that stand out are 1) that President Obama could not have requested said taps; and 2) If the taps were legally attained it may mean that there were people in the Trump campaign that were under suspicion for some sort of under the table dealings with Russia. Either way tRump may have stepped in it again with his itchy twitter finger. What a world, what a president, this is just crazy.

Trump’s wiretap claims, then, carry presumably inadvertent implications. First, based on previous reporting and the nature of FISA courts, any wiretaps within Trump Tower would be legal. And they would stem from overwhelming evidence that the Trump campaign, or someone within it, has unsavory ties to Russia or another foreign power. Otherwise, it’s unlikely those wiretaps would exist at all.

If federal authorities did have cause to listen in on Trump Tower, though, and they provided enough evidence for a FISA court to approve the snooping, Obama is not the one who ought to worry.

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/feds-wiretap-trump-tower-not-obama-worry/?mbid=nl_3417_p3&CNDID=

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The FISA court doesn't require "overwhelming evidence"... it's basically a rubber stamp.

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othershoe1030 wrote:I thought this was a pretty good article from Wired explaining how legal wiretaps Could have been set up. The points that stand out are 1) that President Obama could not have requested said taps; and 2) If the taps were legally attained it may mean that there were people in the Trump campaign that were under suspicion for some sort of under the table dealings with Russia. Either way tRump may have stepped in it again with his itchy twitter finger. What a world, what a president, this is just crazy.

Trump’s wiretap claims, then, carry presumably inadvertent implications. First, based on previous reporting and the nature of FISA courts, any wiretaps within Trump Tower would be legal. And they would stem from overwhelming evidence that the Trump campaign, or someone within it, has unsavory ties to Russia or another foreign power. Otherwise, it’s unlikely those wiretaps would exist at all.

If federal authorities did have cause to listen in on Trump Tower, though, and they provided enough evidence for a FISA court to approve the snooping, Obama is not the one who ought to worry.

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/feds-wiretap-trump-tower-not-obama-worry/?mbid=nl_3417_p3&CNDID=




No matter. Fake #45 moved on to tweeting that Arnold was fired for poor ratings. Ever notice that #45 saves his most outrageous tweets for the weekends when his handlers may not be around and Jared and Ivanka are busy with other things?

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I tend to think they have much more information than they are disclosing at this time. If there was an investigation of the Trump folks working with the Russians to interfere with an American election, you can bet that they do not want to give up their intelligence gathering ability internationally, so it would be logical to use domestic wire taps once identifying the problem. I think President Trump is correct. I think Justice was investigating based on intelligence from sources they would prefer to keep hidden. Yes, it is usually a rubber stamp on a tap, but with foreign intelligence it would be a no brainer. I think President Trump may be in trouble on this one. President Obama would not be the one running that investigation.

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There's no logical reason to have held damaging info.

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Telstar wrote:"This is McCarthyism!" coming from a 1% who worshiped at the feet of his legal guru Roy Cohn, McCarthy's commie hunting lapdog. You just can't make this up. Laughing Laughing Laughing

SOOOO true.

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PkrBum wrote:There's no logical reason to have held damaging info.




Logic left the building when fake #45 entered the White House.

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Telstar wrote:
PkrBum wrote:There's no logical reason to have held damaging info.




Logic left the building when fake #45 entered the White House.

lol!

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2seaoat wrote:I tend to think they have much more information than they are disclosing at this time.  If there was an investigation of the Trump folks working with the Russians to interfere with an American election, you can bet that they do not want to give up their intelligence gathering ability internationally, so it would be logical to use domestic wire taps once identifying the problem.  I think President Trump is correct.  I think Justice was investigating based on intelligence from sources they would prefer to keep hidden.   Yes, it is usually a rubber stamp on a tap, but with foreign intelligence it would be a no brainer.   I think President Trump may be in trouble on this one.  President Obama would not be the one running that investigation.

You think President Trump is correct about WHAT, exactly?? He said OBAMA was doing the wiretapping. WRONG.

And BTW, when I said elsewhere here that I expect his personal attacks against Obama to only worsen -- even though Trump's said in the past that he respects Obama and gets along with him -- the reason is simple: Trump is likely extremely envious of Obama's great popularity. He can't stand it!! Better ratings, OMG!! SAD. Admiration so easily turning to envy and hate.

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Fyi FISA statute: "the president of the United States on his own may conduct surveillance or order surveillance of any person in the United States upon the filing of a certification with the attorney general."

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The Republican chairman and top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee said in a joint statement Thursday they have seen no evidence to support President Donald Trump's claim about Trump Tower being wiretapped.
"Based on the information available to us, we see no indications that Trump Tower was the subject of surveillance by any element of the United States government either before or after Election Day 2016," Sens. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.) said.
Their statement comes a day after leaders of the House Intelligence Committee also cast doubt on Trump's claim.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/senate-intelligence-leaders-no-indications-of-trump-tower-surveillance-236138

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There's also no evidence to suggest that the Russians had anything to do with the election...

but that doesn't seem to slow the leftist herd down any.

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Someone whom I work with from another country brought up the possibility that a foreign government does not have to get anyone's permission to wiretap someone here in the U.S. and the possibility another country was wiretapping the towers.

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PkrBum wrote:There's also no evidence to suggest that the Russians had anything to do with the election...

but that doesn't seem to slow the leftist herd down any.

I don't know exactly what you mean that there's no evidence to suggest that the Russians had anything to do with the election but  according to the Intelligence community Russia absolutely DID have an influence on our election. See page 7 (going by the page counter at the right of the document) of the declassified version of their report under the heading "Key Judgements".

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3254235-ICreport010616.html#document/p2

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/advisers-tenuous-ties-trump-campaign-draw-scrutiny-46036530

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After all the denials from the intelligence community and statements from the two top members of the House Select Committee on Intelligence 45 will still not take responsibility for being duped by a Fox news story.

Yesterday he tells a reporter who asks about these false claims of the Trump Tower being surveilled he tells the reporter he should be asking Andrew Napolitano, not him about his false claim that  the British spy agency had been asked by the Obama administration to spy on his offices during the campaign. "Don't ask me, all I know is what I see on TV!" is basically his excuse.

What ever happened to "The Buck Stops Here"? What Buck? I don't see a buck.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/house-intelligence-chair-says-its-possible-trumps-communications-were-intercepted/2017/03/22/f45e18ba-0f2d-11e7-9b0d-d27c98455440_story.html

The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday accused U.S. spy agencies of abusing their surveillance powers by gathering and sharing information about President Trump and his transition team, an unproven charge that was quickly embraced by the White House but threatened to derail the committee’s investigation of possible Trump campaign ties to Russia.

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), said he was alarmed after seeing intelligence reports disseminated after the Nov. 8 election that made references to U.S. citizens affiliated with Trump, and possibly the president-elect himself. He appeared to be referring to relatively routine cases of surveillance on foreign individuals in which they communicated with or mentioned Americans.

“What I’ve read seems to me to be some level of surveillance activity — perhaps legal, but I don’t know that it’s right,” Nunes said to reporters outside the White House. “I don’t know that the American people would be comfortable with what I’ve read.”

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