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1 Over did it on 2/11/2017, 11:06 am

Last Friday when I had the liver surgery, they put a port into my groin artery and then took a small medical device through my arteries to the liver mapping my liver tumor vascular structure as two of my tumors are rapidly growing. The entry point when they withdraw the surgical devices is plugged to stop the bleeding. It usually takes a couple of weeks for it to dissolve and it stays flat with my surface of the skin. Well wife and I laid two pallets of sod from the dump truck. We have a ladder and I get into the bed of the dump which is a one ton chevy, and walk around the two pallets throwing the sod to the ground where we need it and my wife moves it tight together as she stays on the ground. I would often have to fling it a good distance to fill a large area without her having to lift it, but simply arrange it tightly together. It really did not seem that difficult as I had been running the bobcat all morning finishing my clay roads which are looking amazing, but when I got home and showered my plug was pushing outward. I will be taking it easy today and not lifting or doing much work and hope the rest will allow this to heal properly. We will do two pallets of sod on Monday, but I will be very careful to rest, and we will take all day to do it. This work is keeping me alive, but I need to be a bit more cautious.

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2 Re: Over did it on 2/11/2017, 11:54 am

It doesn't take very long for the femoral artery to bleed you out.

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3 Re: Over did it on 2/11/2017, 12:14 pm

It doesn't take very long for the femoral artery to bleed you out.


That is why I am resting today and probably most of Sunday. When they removed the lung I returned home after a week in the hospital, and took it easy for about four days when a storm came threw and knocked over two maple trees on the driveway. I climbed into the bobcat and moved the first tree in about five minutes and immediately got back into my chair. No problem. So the next morning I spent 15 minutes in the bobcat moving the larger maple tree, and when I got to my chair, I felt liquid which I thought the dog had somehow gone into the river or peed on my chair.......nope I was bleeding from the sutures under my left armpit where they removed the lung, I did not tell the wife and sat in that damn chair like a good boy for over a week. I was lucky. When the doctor told me had I torn the interior sutures I could have made a mess for him, I realized you may feel pretty good, but after surgery you need to rest. I just thought a week was sufficient for a plug. I was wrong. I need to keep working or curl up in a ball and fade away, but this could have been bad.

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4 Re: Over did it on 2/11/2017, 12:21 pm

Take the time now to recuperate.

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5 Re: Over did it on 2/11/2017, 12:42 pm

Pay someone to do this stuff for you. Let common sense come before your pride.

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6 Re: Over did it on 2/11/2017, 1:08 pm

Pay someone to do this stuff for you. Let common sense come before your pride.


I have told you how with the liver I am generally weakening and have begun to have trouble getting out of chairs at restaurants. The other day when I leaned on the table it gave and I spilled some silverware on the floor as I caught the tipping table and sat back down. I will get weaker faster if I do not bend, stretch, lift and work. I had huge thigh muscles in my youth and as my arms, biceps, and legs begin to shrink in size, my salvation has been those leg muscles which respond very well to the work. My surgeon quite bluntly was surprised that I was still alive, and my wife said that his smiles and happiness were mostly surprise that I was still alive. The tumor load I am carrying now could easily have me curl up and not get back up. I had a close friend die of liver cancer three years ago and he pushed himself to stay active. I picked him up and would drive him to a casino near us where we met another friend and had lunch and he played cards for about an hour. He would tell us he was exhausted and there was a surgery which might buy him more time, and he would meet us next Monday for lunch. I enjoyed the lunch, and his wife emailed me that Joe died that Thursday after spending a day in the hospital. The end will come soon enough, but I am working until I cannot. I really look good right now. Like I am only fifty because I have lost a little weight(not good) and if you saw me you would not know I was terminal. The other part of this work is psychological. I get up in the morning thinking about the projects and what I want to do. It is amazing what I have done with the bobcat. After I pass I have told my wife to give the address of the project so folks can see the beauty of the property and the work I have finished. If I die on Thursday like Joe, I will have had a great Monday, and that is just the way I am hard wired. Too late to change.

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7 Re: Over did it on 2/11/2017, 1:17 pm

Oh, I did cave in and hire someone to replace my cooling fan belt and drive belt on the Bobcat this week. I would normally do that, but my wrists and forearms have loss so much muscle mass, and I did not have a steel pry bar to leverage and tighten the belts to compensate for my loss of strength. It was embarrassing not to be able to change belts, so you are probably right there is an element of pride, but the wife has been changing the belts on the John Deere commercial mower for two years, but she would rather do that than trying to help me off the ground.....ugly as I have to roll over and get on my knees and she has to bring a sturdy chair as she assists me to my feet. On my feet, or in the bobcat, I am pretty much almost normal. I have never been happier in my life, and I cannot wait until monday to lay more sod......slowly.

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8 Re: Over did it on 2/11/2017, 1:40 pm

It's a strange thing losing the strength in your arms... I'm at about 50%... less in the left. I always had exceptional strength in my arms even tho I only weighed about 200lbs. It makes me feel sad to think about it.

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9 Re: Over did it on 2/11/2017, 1:57 pm

I was sad, as I am probably where you are. The bad thing is they are putting me on bone injections next month because the bone mets are going to make fractures much easier. So not only do I not have the strength, but if I push something too much, I can fracture my bones. I take a 2000 vitamin D supplement every day since 2010, but apparently bone mets lead to fractures.

The funny thing about losing the strength in my arms and wrists, the once or twice a year I try golf, I still can hit the ball further than those others in my foursome. My clubhead speed has slowed way down, and the mets in the spine do not give me much twist, but somehow I have developed this nice slow draw that when the ball hits the fairway it rolls forward giving me extra yards on the ground. When my arms and legs were strong, I had this baseball golf swing where I put a power fade on the ball which is basically a polite way to say you are slicing the ball and instead of hitting the ground and going forward it would hit the ground and veer to the right. I was surprised at maintaining my distance with so infrequent play, but it goes to show you that golf is more timing, hand eye coordination, and speed not power.

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10 Re: Over did it on 2/11/2017, 3:00 pm


I've been dealing with a water leak...maybe multiple ones...all week. Luckily, I have a neighbor/friend who runs a water company. He's my plumber. Had to deal with the tree guy...also a friend and neighbor. The tree won't be coming down any time soon because it's too expensive, so the water line has to be rerouted. My husband lined up some guys to dig. A large palmetto will have to come out. I am doing some of the work, but I don't have the stamina I once did...either. Lots of fun here.

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11 Re: Over did it on 2/11/2017, 4:05 pm

Have you rented a mini excavator? If you are hand digging a water line in an area with tree roots.......that is hard work. The saving grace is that in Illinois we sink water lines 42 inches as the three foot mark in the late seventies was resulting in frozen water lines. With climate change and Florida being so hot this winter, I think you could probably sink them eight inches and be safe unless you have abandoned cars in your front yard as it seems to be the standard thing around here. In that case you may damage a joint from weight flex on the line. I rented this neat trencher which was the cat's meow from Navarre rental last year where you stand on it and it cuts a four inch trench up to 24 inches. Smooth as silk and easy to operate. I was putting in four inch drain tiles in a yard, and they work like a charm draining former standing water low areas. I only needed the trencher for four hours and had put in hundreds of feet of drainage. Pine roots are a bitch though and we had to do some cutting to install the four inch drain tile and keep our invert.

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12 Re: Over did it on 2/11/2017, 4:26 pm

The tree won't be coming down any time soon because it's too expensive,

You can go to Lowes and get an electric 16 inch chain saw for about a hundred bucks. You can rent on a Saturday afternoon a small man lift with four discs which make the unit stable to go about forty feet in the air. The cage has an electric outlet where a small extension cord will allow you to trim the outer branches and work in. A child could do it. Once you have removed all the branches, making sure that you are cutting them into small pieces for a person on the ground to stack the branches, you begin with about two foot cuts on the main stem, and simply lower the man lift until you are at ground level. You need to be careful where the electric overhead wires are, but they have a safety harness in the cage, and these man lifts are incredibly stable now with the automatic leveling. On monday when they come to pick up the lift, you will have brought the tree down with about 8 hours of machine time and 12 hours of total work stacking firewood and making a pile of smaller stuff to burn when it is done you will have spent about 300 to remove any tree. You can get a stump grinder to come in later. The key is small cuts and safe landings.

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13 Re: Over did it on 2/11/2017, 9:49 pm

Floridatexan wrote:
I've been dealing with a water leak...maybe multiple ones...all week.  Luckily, I have a neighbor/friend who runs a water company.  He's my plumber.  Had to deal with the tree guy...also a friend and neighbor.  The tree won't be coming down any time soon because it's too expensive, so the water line has to be rerouted.  My husband lined up some guys to dig.  A large palmetto will have to come out.  I am doing some of the work, but I don't have the stamina I once did...either.  Lots of fun here.


Have you ever seen a palmetto root?


They are huge. After digging all day I called Ugly John the stump guy.....he worked on it for several hours and never got it all.

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14 Re: Over did it on 2/13/2017, 11:55 am

Joanimaroni wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
I've been dealing with a water leak...maybe multiple ones...all week.  Luckily, I have a neighbor/friend who runs a water company.  He's my plumber.  Had to deal with the tree guy...also a friend and neighbor.  The tree won't be coming down any time soon because it's too expensive, so the water line has to be rerouted.  My husband lined up some guys to dig.  A large palmetto will have to come out.  I am doing some of the work, but I don't have the stamina I once did...either.  Lots of fun here.


Have you ever seen a palmetto root?


They are huge. After digging all day I called Ugly John the stump guy.....he worked on it for several hours and never got it all.

Yes...I have dug them up myself...definitely not for sissies. After exposing the root ball, you have to get to the very bottom of it and cut the tap root.

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15 Re: Over did it on 2/13/2017, 12:04 pm

2seaoat wrote:The tree won't be coming down any time soon because it's too expensive,

You can go to Lowes and get an electric 16 inch chain saw for about a hundred bucks.   You can rent on a Saturday afternoon a small man lift with four discs which make the unit stable to go about forty feet in the air.  The cage has an electric outlet where a small extension cord will allow you to trim the outer branches and work in.  A child could do it.  Once you have removed all the branches, making sure that you are cutting them into small pieces for a person on the ground to stack the branches, you begin with about two foot cuts on the main stem, and simply lower the man lift until you are at ground level.  You need to be careful where the electric overhead wires are, but they have a safety harness in the cage, and these man lifts are incredibly stable now with the automatic leveling.  On monday when they come to pick up the lift, you will have   brought the tree down with about 8 hours of machine time and 12 hours of total work stacking firewood and making a pile of smaller stuff to burn when it is done you will have spent about 300 to remove any tree.  You can get a stump grinder to come in later.  The key is small cuts and safe landings.

Unfortunately, this tree is very close to power lines, and I have an auxiliary power pole between my house and my neighbor's.  Gulf Power has marked the pole for replacement and indicated they will do so within the next 2 months.  Good luck on that, because right now they can't get to it, at least from my side of the fence.  I will call them in, though, when I have the tree removed.  They will most likely have to disconnect power to my house until the tree is down.  It's a camphor tree...I always thought it was just another cherry laurel, which seem to spring up everywhere...and then someone said it was a china berry...nope...crush the leaves and it smells just like Camphophenique.  Under the circumstances, I rather pay someone I know and trust, even if it costs more.  I'm cheap, but not that cheap. Laughing

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16 Re: Over did it on 2/14/2017, 10:35 pm

Taking a tree down used to be very difficult. With these new self balancing man lifts, it is a piece of cake. A ten year old can take a tree down. I would not use a gas powered chain saw, and with a plug in the cage you simply cut and move the basket closer to the tree. Power lines require caution, but if they are not high voltage lines, you can get close to a 200 amp house feed without too much risk. I just like to do it because it feels good when you complete the project, and I do not want to risk a stupid dropping a tree on my roof.

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17 Re: Over did it on 2/16/2017, 9:55 pm

I got significant bad news today. My hormone levels are off to the races again. They are at the 900 level and rising. I had them down to 400 level which is twice the normal and still dangerous, but 900 is serious. I go in on Feb. 27 for more liver surgery. I think I will post some pictures of the project. I am beginning to think I will not see this through to the end. I will take some photos as it is quite beautiful. very proud of what we have done.

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18 Re: Over did it on 2/16/2017, 11:00 pm

Be comforatable.

That's all that matters.

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19 Re: Over did it on 2/16/2017, 11:17 pm

Always in my nightly prayers.

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20 Re: Over did it on 2/17/2017, 1:01 am

Sorry to hear this news, Sea. Will hope for the very best possible outcome. Thank you for keeping us in the loop on your journey.

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21 Re: Over did it on 2/17/2017, 1:18 am


Seaoat, thanks for your input. The water situation is resolved for the moment and it was quite an experience...one I'm not anxious to go through again in the near future. It seems that the people I needed were there at the time. I am so blessed.

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22 Re: Over did it on 2/17/2017, 6:58 am

I am so blessed.


It is good to have friends. It also is good to appreciate what you have. As we age we often face impossible odds and challenges. In our youth we had much more flexibility. With the loss of that flexibility it is important to count your blessings and keep positive.

My wife and I started visiting a pig farm in Western Illinois which was owned by one of her kindergarten classmates each August starting 37 years ago. My wife went to a small Catholic school Kindergarten through eighth grade being taught by nuns. A lot of her classmates went to college at a catholic college along the Mississippi river called quincy college. Well most of the attendees of the annual pig farm were college friends of her kindergarten friend. There were about thirty couples which would attend this party each year. We started as a bunch of young people full of spit and vinegar. Next we started having children, and as we camped at the farm, it began to look like woodstock each August as toddlers would interact with the pigs, and our host always had a buggy ride for the children with an old donkey pulling the same. they would roast a pig each year, and the children would go out into the cornfields and gather sweet corn where they would shuck the same and all weekend it was sweet corn and tasty pork.

Well the kids grew, and before you knew it grandkids were gathering at the pig farm as a second generation of children enjoyed the same.......but then the other side of that coin......people began to die. First was a beautiful woman. She died with early onset Alzhiemer disease in her early fifties, and then heart attacks and cancer as almost ten people of the 60 total people in the 30 couples were dead. The hardest hitting was a man who died Tuesday on valentines day. He had liver cancer. So his death hit home. He had posted photos of a get together of many of the folks at New Years eve this year. He was joking and there was a video of him singing a song. He lost weight. He struggled a bit for a week and he was gone. His wife asked my wife in private how she was dealing with the death cycle. She said it was hard because out of the public he was bitter and angry and often took his anger out on her. My wife said she understood. You see endocrine cancer and the elevated hormone levels have me very driven at the end to finish projects. It has almost become pathological, and my wife replied that it is difficult dealing with the death cycle and that although I was neither angry or bitter, I was incredibly driven beyond anything normal and keeping up with me was very difficult and she was happy when I was exhausted. We each will face an exit strategy. They are not always perfect, but it is so important to count your blessings and be positive. Physical hard work is what floats my boat. We laid two more pallets of sod, and I will take some photos today when we begin to work. Every muscle in my body aches from yesterday, and I will not take pain pills as I just will kick asz today.

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23 Re: Over did it on 2/18/2017, 1:55 am

Sorry for the continuing losses in your pig farm group, Sea. Has to be very hard to see folks dropping by the wayside. Fact of life or otherwise, it's no fun.

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24 Re: Over did it on 2/18/2017, 9:14 am

PkrBum wrote:It doesn't take very long for the femoral artery to bleed you out.


Very true . . . . when I was accicentally shot in a hunting accident a long long time ago one of the lead pellets merely nicked my femoral artery. After forcing myself to get up and walk out of the woods to the nearest clearing I was completely drenched in blood . . . . . I clearly remember both my shoes making a sucking sound from them being full of blood . . . . I was a mess!

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25 Re: Over did it on 2/18/2017, 9:23 am

knothead wrote:
PkrBum wrote:It doesn't take very long for the femoral artery to bleed you out.


Very true . . . . when I was accicentally shot in a hunting accident a long long time ago one of the lead pellets merely nicked my femoral artery. After forcing myself to get up and walk out of the woods to the nearest clearing I was completely drenched in blood . . . . . I clearly remember both my shoes making a sucking sound from them being full of blood . . . . I was a mess!

Wow... very scary. You're lucky to be alive. I used to have to start lines in children for iv's and blood etc. The easiest was the femoral artery... but it really needed to be secured carefully and checked often.

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