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Romney Goes On Offense, Pays For It In First Wave Of Fact Checks

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Nekochan wrote:The WP and NYT must have missed where Romney also said he would do away with many deductions for higher income people.



Yep, liberals gloss over that fact as they do most everything else. He repeated that about three or four times.

Nekochan

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OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.

Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?

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boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:He has not cut the deficit, he's raised it. He cannot even manage present a budget to Congress.

$1,412.70 (2009) > $1.299 (2011)


And he has presented budgets to congress each year he has been in office. This has been covered tirelessly in another thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_States_federal_budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_United_States_federal_budget



Presenting budgets and passing them is another matter.

Nekochan

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boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:He has not cut the deficit, he's raised it. He cannot even manage present a budget to Congress.

$1,412.70 (2009) > $1.299 (2011)


And he has presented budgets to congress each year he has been in office. This has been covered tirelessly in another thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_States_federal_budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_United_States_federal_budget



Presenting budgets and passing them is another matter.

Yes, I should have said he cannot present a feasible and passable budget to Congress. He cannot work with Democrats or Republicans in this respect.

Nekochan

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http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/227857-senate-rejects-obama-budget-in-99-0-vote/

Senate vote: 99-0

He cannot only blame Republicans! The man cannot even work with his own Party to get a budget passed.

boards of FL

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Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.

Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?

Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.


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boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.

Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?

Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.
Obama is a failure.

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Nekochan wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.

Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?

Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.
Obama is a failure.

BHO sheeple can spin it anyway they want - the end result is, as you stated, Obama is a failure.

Nekochan

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Nekochan wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.

Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?

Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.
Obama is a failure.

BHO sheeple can spin it anyway they want - the end result is, as you stated, Obama is a failure.
I don't know that Romney will be better but I know that 4 more years of Obama will not be good.

boards of FL

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Nekochan wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.

Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?

Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.
Obama is a failure.

The deficit today is lower than the 2009 Bush Budget which Obama inherited.

We were shedding 800,000+ jobs per month when Obama took office and are now gaining jobs each month.

4.5 million + jobs have been added to the private sector since the beginning of the recovery.

Failure!


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boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.

Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?

Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.
Obama is a failure.

The deficit today is lower than the 2009 Bush Budget which Obama inherited.

We were shedding 800,000+ jobs per month when Obama took office and are now gaining jobs each month.

4.5 million + jobs have been added to the private sector since the beginning of the recovery.

Failure!

Then why are more people on foodstamps now than in 2009?
Why is unemployment higher now than in 2009?

Nekochan

Nekochan

boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.

Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?

Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.
Obama is a failure.

The deficit today is lower than the 2009 Bush Budget which Obama inherited.

We were shedding 800,000+ jobs per month when Obama took office and are now gaining jobs each month.

4.5 million + jobs have been added to the private sector since the beginning of the recovery.

Failure!


Add up Bush's total deficits from his 8 years with Obama's total deficits from his 4 years. Obama has Bush beat in deficits. Finally, something Obama wins on! Obama also wins on total national debt.

About those jobs:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/politics/fact-check-obama-jobs/index.html



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ghandi wrote:Then why are more people on foodstamps now than in 2009?

The number of people on food stamps has been growing for some time now. Perhaps it is due to the perverse distribution of wealth in which much of it accumulates at the top among very few people and the rest of us fight over a much smaller percentage?

http://www.trivisonno.com/wp-content/uploads/Food-Stamps-Monthly2.jpg

ghandi wrote:Why is unemployment higher now than in 2009?

Because it isn't?


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125,000 NET jobs have been added in BHOs first term and the only reason this occurred is because of a “very quiet” BLS revised benchmark. Unemployment remains frozen at 8.1% and net job growth stinks like yesterdays fish. Manipulating employment numbers is nothing new and it is sometimes hard to separate the wheat from the chaff but let’s face it, more people have simply exited the workforce or are woefully underemployed and I have YET to hear how BHO is going to solve that problem – he hasn’t done anything yet except for a major fail “shovel ready” crapshoot and a dreamweaver based green money giveaway. What a pile of crap this so-called President has proven to be.

boards of FL

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Nekochan wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.

Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?

Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.
Obama is a failure.

The deficit today is lower than the 2009 Bush Budget which Obama inherited.

We were shedding 800,000+ jobs per month when Obama took office and are now gaining jobs each month.

4.5 million + jobs have been added to the private sector since the beginning of the recovery.

Failure!


Add up Bush's total deficits from his 8 years with Obama's total deficits from his 4 years. Obama has Bush beat in deficits. Finally, something Obama wins on! Obama also wins on total national debt.

About those jobs:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/politics/fact-check-obama-jobs/index.html




We only have results for two years of Obama: 2010 and 2011. Again, 2009 is Bush's budget. We won't really know Obama's total deficits until 2014 when all spending for 2013 has concluded.

That being said, simply adding up deficit/surplus totals is not exactly the best way to determine the success/failure of a president - particularly considering the fact that Bush inherited a surplus and Obama inherited a $1 trillion deficit. Simply adding up totals ignores that fact that each persons total is significantly skewed by that over which they have no control - the situation that they inherited. Beyond that, as time moves forward and the economy grows, one would expect for deficit/surplus totals to increase simply out of increased economic scale.


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nochain wrote:125,000 NET jobs have been added in BHOs first term and the only reason this occurred is because of a “very quiet” BLS revised benchmark.

Crappy, right? What is your take on Bush's term and job creation during that period?


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boards of FL wrote:
nochain wrote:125,000 NET jobs have been added in BHOs first term and the only reason this occurred is because of a “very quiet” BLS revised benchmark.

Crappy, right? What is your take on Bush's term and job creation during that period?

Who cares - Bush is long gone and has no impact on what occurs today or tomorrow - BHO took over a mess, some of it Bushs fault and some not. (and who keeps getting a free pass in these discussions? Why an intransigent Congress and Senate - send them ALL home) Regardless, when are folks going to stop beating that Bush horse corpse and ask the simple questions of BHO who promised some things 3 1/2 years ago that have not even come close to being delivered. What can he do different in 4 more years? Personally I feel he had his chance and blew it on too many levels to be given another.

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nochain wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
nochain wrote:125,000 NET jobs have been added in BHOs first term and the only reason this occurred is because of a “very quiet” BLS revised benchmark.

Crappy, right? What is your take on Bush's term and job creation during that period?

Who cares - Bush is long gone and has no impact on what occurs today or tomorrow - BHO took over a mess, some of it Bushs fault and some not. (and who keeps getting a free pass in these discussions? Why an intransigent Congress and Senate - send them ALL home) Regardless, when are folks going to stop beating that Bush horse corpse and ask the simple questions of BHO who promised some things 3 1/2 years ago that have not even come close to being delivered. What can he do different in 4 more years? Personally I feel he had his chance and blew it on too many levels to be given another.
Radio...TV...Newspapers....The libs are wiggin out!...They are truly surprised that the COWH is and has been a failure...If he (COWH) can't articulate his own positions...that may be a problem...Even the moderator attempted to help him out as it became embarrassing...

gulfbeachbandit

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boards of FL wrote:
ghandi wrote:Then why are more people on foodstamps now than in 2009?

The number of people on food stamps has been growing for some time now. Perhaps it is due to the perverse distribution of wealth in which much of it accumulates at the top among very few people and the rest of us fight over a much smaller percentage?

http://www.trivisonno.com/wp-content/uploads/Food-Stamps-Monthly2.jpg

ghandi wrote:Why is unemployment higher now than in 2009?

Because it isn't?

My bad. I thought that 8 was higher than 5. I guess my math teacher screwed up and taught me wrong.

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Here's another thing Romney spoke with forked tongue about. He said all these things with a straight face too. I think that's what seaoat means when he calls him a sociopathic liar. It is so easy for him.
Here Obama said he wanted to close tax loopholes that allowed companies to deduct the cost of moving American businesses overseas. Mittens claims he mysteriously has never heard of such a thing. Here's the whole story according to FOX. I think they explain it very well.
I think companies should be able to deduct the cost of doing business with the exception of moving factories, etc. out of the country. This prohibition should also include areas technically called "the U.S.A." but are really off shore sweat shop Meccas.


"No idea what you're talking about."
That was Mitt Romney's retort when President Obama repeated the claim during Wednesday's debate that companies are exploiting a loophole to ship jobs overseas. In one of the most memorable moments of the night, Romney said he's never heard of such a tax break in all his years in business.
So who's right?
Technically, companies can claim a deduction for the costs associated with moving jobs overseas.
However, the deduction is not a special loophole afforded only to companies moving work out of America, as the president sometimes makes it sound. Rather, the deduction is written into the tax code pertaining to any cost companies face in the course of doing business.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/04/fact-check-tax-break-for-shipping-jobs-overseas/#ixzz28O2Ff0Ie

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why don't we include the federal reserve printing dollars too?

Markle

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boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.

Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?

Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.

I can understand how you could forget the figures. When asked by David Letterman (which should have been a sign of the debate) President Barack Hussein Obama claimed to not "remember" what the debt was when he took office.

It was $10.6 TRILLION and well over $16 TRILLION today.

Markle

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boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.

Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?

Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.
Obama is a failure.

The deficit today is lower than the 2009 Bush Budget which Obama inherited.

We were shedding 800,000+ jobs per month when Obama took office and are now gaining jobs each month.

4.5 million + jobs have been added to the private sector since the beginning of the recovery.
Failure!

At the rate we are adding jobs today and have been adding for the past three years, it will that 34 years until the unemployment rate reaches 5.5%.

Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:
ghandi wrote:Then why are more people on foodstamps now than in 2009?

The number of people on food stamps has been growing for some time now. Perhaps it is due to the perverse distribution of wealth in which much of it accumulates at the top among very few people and the rest of us fight over a much smaller percentage?

http://www.trivisonno.com/wp-content/uploads/Food-Stamps-Monthly2.jpg

ghandi wrote:Why is unemployment higher now than in 2009?

Because it isn't?

Only if you choose to NOT count people who have given up looking for a job or who want a full time job and are working part time or are qualified for a higher paying job.

As you know, that number of unemployed is HUGH.

Markle

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boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.

Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?

Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.
Obama is a failure.

The deficit today is lower than the 2009 Bush Budget which Obama inherited.

We were shedding 800,000+ jobs per month when Obama took office and are now gaining jobs each month.

4.5 million + jobs have been added to the private sector since the beginning of the recovery.

Failure!


Add up Bush's total deficits from his 8 years with Obama's total deficits from his 4 years. Obama has Bush beat in deficits. Finally, something Obama wins on! Obama also wins on total national debt.

About those jobs:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/politics/fact-check-obama-jobs/index.html




We only have results for two years of Obama: 2010 and 2011. Again, 2009 is Bush's budget. We won't really know Obama's total deficits until 2014 when all spending for 2013 has concluded.

That being said, simply adding up deficit/surplus totals is not exactly the best way to determine the success/failure of a president - particularly considering the fact that Bush inherited a surplus and Obama inherited a $1 trillion deficit. Simply adding up totals ignores that fact that each persons total is significantly skewed by that over which they have no control - the situation that they inherited. Beyond that, as time moves forward and the economy grows, one would expect for deficit/surplus totals to increase simply out of increased economic scale.

As you know, there was not REALLY a budget surplus during the Clinton years. The REVENUES INCLUDED those payments made for Social Security and Medicare. Deduct those and there was a deficit each year.

If you recall, the increase in revenue also came because of the Welfare Reform Act of 1996 and gutted by the Stimulus program. That was the Newt Gingrich House which had the Contract with America. Millions of people came off the welfare rolls, taking tax money, and onto the payrolls where they became tax payers.

Revenues were also greatly enhanced by the DOT.COM bubble which burst just before President George Walker Bush took office.

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