Nekochan wrote:The WP and NYT must have missed where Romney also said he would do away with many deductions for higher income people.
Yep, liberals gloss over that fact as they do most everything else. He repeated that about three or four times.
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Nekochan wrote:The WP and NYT must have missed where Romney also said he would do away with many deductions for higher income people.
boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:He has not cut the deficit, he's raised it. He cannot even manage present a budget to Congress.
$1,412.70 (2009) > $1.299 (2011)
And he has presented budgets to congress each year he has been in office. This has been covered tirelessly in another thread.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_States_federal_budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_United_States_federal_budget
PACEDOG#1 wrote:boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:He has not cut the deficit, he's raised it. He cannot even manage present a budget to Congress.
$1,412.70 (2009) > $1.299 (2011)
And he has presented budgets to congress each year he has been in office. This has been covered tirelessly in another thread.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_States_federal_budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_United_States_federal_budget
Presenting budgets and passing them is another matter.
Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.
Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?
Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.
Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?
Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Nekochan wrote:Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.
Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?
Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Obama is a failure.
I don't know that Romney will be better but I know that 4 more years of Obama will not be good.nochain wrote:Nekochan wrote:Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.
Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?
Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Obama is a failure.
BHO sheeple can spin it anyway they want - the end result is, as you stated, Obama is a failure.
Nekochan wrote:Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.
Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?
Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Obama is a failure.
boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.
Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?
Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Obama is a failure.
The deficit today is lower than the 2009 Bush Budget which Obama inherited.
We were shedding 800,000+ jobs per month when Obama took office and are now gaining jobs each month.
4.5 million + jobs have been added to the private sector since the beginning of the recovery.
Failure!
boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.
Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?
Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Obama is a failure.
The deficit today is lower than the 2009 Bush Budget which Obama inherited.
We were shedding 800,000+ jobs per month when Obama took office and are now gaining jobs each month.
4.5 million + jobs have been added to the private sector since the beginning of the recovery.
Failure!
ghandi wrote:Then why are more people on foodstamps now than in 2009?
ghandi wrote:Why is unemployment higher now than in 2009?
Nekochan wrote:boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.
Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?
Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Obama is a failure.
The deficit today is lower than the 2009 Bush Budget which Obama inherited.
We were shedding 800,000+ jobs per month when Obama took office and are now gaining jobs each month.
4.5 million + jobs have been added to the private sector since the beginning of the recovery.
Failure!
Add up Bush's total deficits from his 8 years with Obama's total deficits from his 4 years. Obama has Bush beat in deficits. Finally, something Obama wins on! Obama also wins on total national debt.
About those jobs:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/politics/fact-check-obama-jobs/index.html
nochain wrote:125,000 NET jobs have been added in BHOs first term and the only reason this occurred is because of a “very quiet” BLS revised benchmark.
boards of FL wrote:nochain wrote:125,000 NET jobs have been added in BHOs first term and the only reason this occurred is because of a “very quiet” BLS revised benchmark.
Crappy, right? What is your take on Bush's term and job creation during that period?
Radio...TV...Newspapers....The libs are wiggin out!...They are truly surprised that the COWH is and has been a failure...If he (COWH) can't articulate his own positions...that may be a problem...Even the moderator attempted to help him out as it became embarrassing...nochain wrote:boards of FL wrote:nochain wrote:125,000 NET jobs have been added in BHOs first term and the only reason this occurred is because of a “very quiet” BLS revised benchmark.
Crappy, right? What is your take on Bush's term and job creation during that period?
Who cares - Bush is long gone and has no impact on what occurs today or tomorrow - BHO took over a mess, some of it Bushs fault and some not. (and who keeps getting a free pass in these discussions? Why an intransigent Congress and Senate - send them ALL home) Regardless, when are folks going to stop beating that Bush horse corpse and ask the simple questions of BHO who promised some things 3 1/2 years ago that have not even come close to being delivered. What can he do different in 4 more years? Personally I feel he had his chance and blew it on too many levels to be given another.
boards of FL wrote:ghandi wrote:Then why are more people on foodstamps now than in 2009?
The number of people on food stamps has been growing for some time now. Perhaps it is due to the perverse distribution of wealth in which much of it accumulates at the top among very few people and the rest of us fight over a much smaller percentage?
http://www.trivisonno.com/wp-content/uploads/Food-Stamps-Monthly2.jpgghandi wrote:Why is unemployment higher now than in 2009?
Because it isn't?
boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.
Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?
Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.
Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?
Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Obama is a failure.
The deficit today is lower than the 2009 Bush Budget which Obama inherited.
We were shedding 800,000+ jobs per month when Obama took office and are now gaining jobs each month.
4.5 million + jobs have been added to the private sector since the beginning of the recovery.
Failure!
boards of FL wrote:ghandi wrote:Then why are more people on foodstamps now than in 2009?
The number of people on food stamps has been growing for some time now. Perhaps it is due to the perverse distribution of wealth in which much of it accumulates at the top among very few people and the rest of us fight over a much smaller percentage?
http://www.trivisonno.com/wp-content/uploads/Food-Stamps-Monthly2.jpgghandi wrote:Why is unemployment higher now than in 2009?
Because it isn't?
boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:Deficits add up to higher debt--year after year. Obama has failed miserably on his promise to cut the deficit in half. He's failed miserably in his promise of lowering the unemployment rate, he has another serious failure in promising to enact policies that encourage job creation. He has failed at working with both Houses of Congress to pass a workable, reasonable budget.boards of FL wrote:Nekochan wrote:OK, maybe Obama has presented budgets, but he can't get one passed.
Boards, is the total national debt today higher or lower than when Bush left office?
Clearly it is higher. There is a difference between an annual budget deficit and an overall debt tally.
Obama is a failure.
The deficit today is lower than the 2009 Bush Budget which Obama inherited.
We were shedding 800,000+ jobs per month when Obama took office and are now gaining jobs each month.
4.5 million + jobs have been added to the private sector since the beginning of the recovery.
Failure!
Add up Bush's total deficits from his 8 years with Obama's total deficits from his 4 years. Obama has Bush beat in deficits. Finally, something Obama wins on! Obama also wins on total national debt.
About those jobs:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/politics/fact-check-obama-jobs/index.html
We only have results for two years of Obama: 2010 and 2011. Again, 2009 is Bush's budget. We won't really know Obama's total deficits until 2014 when all spending for 2013 has concluded.
That being said, simply adding up deficit/surplus totals is not exactly the best way to determine the success/failure of a president - particularly considering the fact that Bush inherited a surplus and Obama inherited a $1 trillion deficit. Simply adding up totals ignores that fact that each persons total is significantly skewed by that over which they have no control - the situation that they inherited. Beyond that, as time moves forward and the economy grows, one would expect for deficit/surplus totals to increase simply out of increased economic scale.
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