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1 My avatar says it all. on 11/3/2016, 9:48 pm

The little Lady Bristol will be here shortly. We are working on import docs.

Before you even begin,SO, I do strongly believe in careful breeding. Had we thought about our pups who are let out to breed as they please, we would have no need for rescue.

I do believe in breeding the stronger, healthier. It's not an elitist thing, only a compassionate view.

Love our dogs.

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2 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/3/2016, 10:14 pm

What about your other dogs?


Edit....I just read on another thread you lost Paige.....so sorry. I loved her dressed up.

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3 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/3/2016, 10:38 pm

[quoteshe="Joanimaroni"]What about your other dogs?


Edit....I just read on another thread you lost Paige.....so sorry. I loved her dressed up.[/quote]

Thanks, Joanii, it's horrible to lose one so close, but Paige died in my arms seconds before the "final" shot was given. It was a relief not to have to kill her.

Hanna, my other pup from the same breeder (Canada) is the joy for these days. She's like tar to my skin! I have been blessed to have her at my side, underfoot, overhead for 2 years, 1 month now.

Soph, now 5 is still hanging in.

We are a happy family and are really looking forward to Bristol's arrival.

Sometimes I think these dogs are too big for me, but gave up a horse purchase. My kids considered it a fair deal. Smile

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4 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/3/2016, 10:55 pm

Dammit, she won't be here in time to vote! Razz

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5 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 4:37 am

There is nothing to start. I have told the truth. It is not my place to take a little girl's fantasy away. For those of us who live in the real world, a rescued animal is not a fantasy.

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6 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 11:23 am

2seaoat wrote:There is nothing to start.  I have told the truth.  It is not my place to take a little girl's fantasy away.  For those of us who live in the real world, a rescued animal is not a fantasy.

My best friend in SF does nothing but take in senior rescues. She's an acquisitions/ merger atty but has given up her career to take care of these dogs. I admire her for what she does, so much.

Obviously, we need rescue. I've left my estate in part to developing one in Gulf Breeze.

I just hope for better, and do not want to be put down for going with registered dogs. No one could love dogs more.

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7 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 12:49 pm

Caregivers and folks who help animals are special people. I have sadly seen over 35 years the horrors of people breeding for profit and the adverse impact on animals. Its kind of like child pornography for me. The monsters abuse children and then take photographic evidence of the abuse. They then sell those photos. Law enforcement used to focus just on the abusers until they realized the abuse was being driven by profit from the sale of child pornography. When they focused on the crime of possession of child pornography they cut out the profit and made it much more difficult for the monsters to abuse children. Not all people who only have pure bred animals are monsters, but they are part of a system of profit which contributes to the abuse of animals. I am happy you will leave assets to protect animals. We as a moral society are judged how we treat the lowest among us and animals.

My rescue three year old means the world to my wife and it was I who asked to get a rescue puppy for my bucket list, and she was reluctant to deal with an ill husband and a puppy. This dog has been the best dog we have ever had the pleasure to own, and the dog worships my wife who is more excited about the dog most of the time than I am. We have been blessed, and the best part my daughter adopted her litter sister.

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8 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 12:56 pm

We can all agree that inhumane puppy mills are bad.  But I don't buy the idea that buying pure bread dogs is the root of all evil that we see in shelters.  

My wife and I love dachshunds, and there is a dachshund breeder in Milton that is excellent.  Those animals are spoiled and are only sold to good homes that they vet.  I would be willing to bet that a very high % of their dogs go on to live full, happy lives with their owners and never end up in shelters.

To find the root of the problem in the shelters, you have to look from where those dogs come from.  And I assure you they're not coming from pure bread breeders.


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9 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 1:07 pm

The point is that there are millions of unwanted adoptable domestic animals, the majority or which will be euthanized.

That being the case, it is immoral to breed them.

When I was young and stupid, I bought a pure bred ACA registered Siberian Husky.

Then I became aware of the situation and have since adopted four more Huskies over the years from rescue organizations.

They've all been much loved and wonderful companions.

You like dachshunds?

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10 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 1:10 pm

I am mostly talking about breeding abuse which leads to genetic suffering in animals where the profit motive over takes sound breeding practices. I would agree that pure breeds are not the majority of animals in kill pounds. I am very proud of the efforts of folks adopting greyhounds, and there are folks who realize the profit motive has created a huge abuse problem in breeding and are making sound efforts to correct bad practices. It however remains in my mind similar to child pornography. The possession of pure breeds where higher prices are paid drive those breeders under the profit motive to intentionally put money over the welfare of animals.

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11 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 1:21 pm

Sal wrote:The point is that there are millions of unwanted adoptable domestic animals, the majority or which will be euthanized.

That being the case, it is immoral to breed them.

When I was young and stupid, I bought a pure bred ACA registered Siberian Husky.

Then I became aware of the situation and have since adopted four more Huskies over the years from rescue organizations.

They've all been much loved and wonderful companions.

You like dachshunds?

Here ya go ....


http://fldr.org/



But what I'm saying is that pure bread dogs have a higher probability of living out a full, happy life. They have a lower probability of of ending up in shelters. If we want to attack the problem of shelters, we need to attack the source of the dogs that end up in those shelters rather than the dogs that are doing just fine.

Even if pure breeders disappeared tomorrow and everyone adopted, the very same source of the problem that drives dogs into shelters would still exist nevertheless, so it is misguided to attack breeders.


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12 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 1:23 pm

For the record, the two Huskies I now own are 11 and 13 years old.

We sadly had to put down another a few years ago at the age of 15.

The ACA registered one died suddenly at only 8.

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13 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 1:26 pm

All points are well taken.

We seem to have a common cause but come at it from different points of view.

Let me love my little Canadian import!

Boards, that is too funny! I've had large babies all my life, horses, mastiffs, danes. The only dog who scared me were doxies. Yup, they scared the cr..out of me!

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14 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 1:34 pm

Slightly off topic, but yesterday I bought two new memory foam dog beds for my friends.

When I left the house, one was asleep in our bed, and the other on the leather sofa.

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15 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 1:35 pm

I was speaking less to the health of the dogs in shelters vs breeders and more to the likelihood of the dogs being cared for and living out happy lives.  But regarding health, the dog before my current dog was a rescue from a shelter.  After four weeks of ownership I ended up maxing out two credit cards in vet bills before being told he would have to be put to sleep.   I could have bought four pure bread dachshunds for what I paid for that shelter dog.

There should be stringent regulations placed on pet ownership such that people don't view it as a casual form of entertainment.  I have seen people adopt puppies and then after two or three years get tired of them and drop them off at a shelter.  Several months later they have a new puppy.   If more stringent requirements were in place, these type of people would view pet ownership less favorably and would pass. There are people who don't get their dogs fixed, end up with puppies, and then then don't know or care about what to do with them so they just drop them off at shelters.  And there are of course puppy mill breeders who view the animals as products, mix breeds or coats where genetic issues are know to arise, and are driven only by profit and not animal welfare.   There are dog fighters who breed pit bulls for sport, probably the most common breed found in shelters. All of the above are to blame for shelter dogs, but not responsible breeders.


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16 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 1:42 pm

Could not agree more.

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17 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 6:04 pm

The beauty of rescue dogs is that they are neutered and get all their initial shots and vet care as part of the adoption fee. Additionally, the adoption people had us fill out a three page adoption form which specifically dealt with our prior ownership of dogs. They also would not allow an adoption until the family in its entirety came in for an adoption interview. I was sick and got a pass, but my son in law, daughter, the two granddaughters, and my wife went to the interview. My wife let the SIL get first choice and they took the pup which looked the most german shepard, we happily took the one which looked more like a combo beagle/shepard.

Our first dog was a brittney which we got from a shelter. She lived 15 years. Our second dog was a golden, and she lived 12 years and we got her from a shelter. Our third dog was a malmute/lab which we got from an ad in the paper where a family had a litter. She lived 15 years. Our current dog is our first rescue adoption, and she is 3 years old and by far the smarter of the two dogs from the litter as we call her sister affectionately "box of rocks"

Pure breds are rarely neutered. A good owner not looking at dollar and cents will do the responsible thing and have the dog neutered. Owners do their thing to try breeding their dog, but the problem is that if the dog is impregnated by a non pure bred dog......guess what.

It is a simple choice to do the responsible thing, but it is pure hypocrisy not to realize humans simply abuse animals and none of us are perfect. I eat steak and bacon, and have leather shoes. The question to answer in the end is your choice in a puppy contributing to the problem or helping the problem. It took me a long time to realize what I needed to do, and I am secure in my choice being the right thing.

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18 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 7:30 pm

My wife and I currently have two dogs, but our more recent (which we picked up 7 years ago) is a dachshund named Wes.  Before we picked him up, we would regularly swing by the pet store on Davis to check out the dogs, cats, snakes, fish, etc.  We never intended to purchase a dog from a pet store like that, and I do not recommend that anyone do that to this day.  But we nevertheless would stop by because we liked checking them out.  One day we saw this weird looking dog that neither of us could identify.  I decided to ask an employee what the breed was.  "It's a wire haired double dapple dachshund".   Sounded like BS to me.  The girl asked us if we wanted to visit with the dog in one of those rooms where people go who are interested in purchasing.  Absolutely not!  We don't buy dogs from pet stores.  But the girl insisted that we would be doing the dog a favor.  It would give him a chance to get out of his cage and get petted.   Fair enough.  So we're in the room with the dog and I start to wonder, "How much do they want for him?" - only out of curiosity of course.  I almost died laughing when they told us.  15 minutes later we're driving home with him on my lap.  

I was still not convinced about the "wire haired double dapple dachshund" BS, so I did some research.  It turned out that double dapples are an inhumane version of a dachshund to breed, because out of each litter there is a high probability of getting dogs that are blind, deaf, both, or worse.  But you will get at least one dog with a highly desirable, unique looking coat.  Had my wife and I known this, we would not have purchased this dog, but he is nevertheless the best dog we have ever had.  Learning that about our dog Wes led us to do extensive research on the dachshund breed, and we are now somewhat of experts on the types of coats, colors, sizes, etc that are available for dachshunds - what is humane and what isn't humane.  Etc.  But, point being, there are certainly unethical breeders out there.  My wife and I had the alibi of ignorance when we got our dog, but we won't fall prey to that again.

Long story short, never buy  dog from a breeder unless you have done some research, and you know for certain that your dog is not the result of unethical breeding practices.


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19 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 7:39 pm

Boards can you post a picture of Wes.

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20 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 7:49 pm

And touching on the issues that 2seaoat raised about wearing leather and eating meat, I do in fact realize that the industrial farming industry is incredibly brutal and inhumane.  We can spend all day talking about humane societies, but those dogs have it infinitely better than any of the cows, pigs, or chickens that end up on our tables.  You can't really maintain a moral high ground on this rescue dog issue unless you yourself are a vegetarian.   And trust me, I really want to be a vegetarian.  I just can't find the right diet that I can live with to do so.  But it aches me after some of these documentaries I have seen.  Don't kid yourself, the consumer meat industry is pure hell for those animals. And I'm trying to gradually ease myself off of that diet. But it's very hard to do.


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21 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 7:56 pm

Joanimaroni wrote:Boards can you post a picture of Wes.

Here is a picture of Wes taken at the very moment that we were driving home with him from the pet store. This was taken minutes after the entire story that I just laid out transpired.  


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22 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 8:14 pm

I also think it is human nature when you lose a beloved pet to want to go out right away and fill that hole with an animal as close to the friend you have lost. We did it after the Shepard died of liver failure. We chose to adopt, and get two dogs which were like the dog we lost. It turned out that not being a pure bred does mean that the dog you replace may not look or act anything like the dog you lost.

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23 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 8:17 pm

Here are a few more from when I brought him out to the beach a few months back. That isn't me in the pics smoking a cig, in case anyone is wondering. Friend of mine. But point being, there are certain people who want that combination of a dapple dachshund mixed with white, which you only get with what is known as a "double dapple". Plus my dog is a wire haired dachshund which is very hard to find anywhere.







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24 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 9:02 pm

How much does that dog weigh?

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25 Re: My avatar says it all. on 11/4/2016, 9:07 pm

19lbs


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