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1We are not there yet......Kerry Empty We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/5/2015, 1:23 pm

So for the folks who thought it would be an easy bad deal.....not so fast, this is a complex deal.

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There will be no deal without the consent of Israel. They have too much influence over US politics/foreign-policy for that to be allowed.

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Senator Tom Cotton is already calling for massive economic sanctions against Iran and devastating military attacks on Iran's nuclear facilities.

You will not be able to attack Iran's nuclear facilities without attacking the rest of the country's military infrastructure as well, so this will be a big war, not a small one. Just what we need....

When Iran closes the Straits of Hormuz to oil tanker traffic, the world will enter a crisis it has not yet seen. Seventeen million barrels of oil pass through those straits on a daily basis; roughly 35% of the world's daily oil output. Brent crude currently trades for $60.00 per barrel, and when the Persian Gulf spigot is either disrupted or shutoff by a war, there could be no ceiling on the price of oil.

However, I am sure Senator Cotton, considered all of these things before he started his blustering.....

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EmeraldGhost wrote:There will be no deal without the consent of Israel.   They have too much influence over US politics/foreign-policy for that to be allowed.

Of course, you agree with all of that........

Hopefully, President Obama will break the cycle of Israel running America around like a dog. He does not get along with that hothead Israeli PM, Bibi. I'll drink to that!

This is what we need to break away from:


We are not there yet......Kerry Ariel_10

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote: ...

You will not be able to attack Iran's nuclear facilities without attacking the rest of the country's military infrastructure as well, so this will be a big war, not a small one.


Why not?   What makes you think we couldn't do it?

If we wanted to we could bomb the h*ll out of their nuclear facilities & military infrastructure as well if we chose to do that too.   And we could do that without putting any boots on the ground at all except it might be tactically helpful to covertly insert small Air Force Combat Controller/Weather team as we often do..

Now that's not me saying i think we should do that at this point in time .... but we could.

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EmeraldGhost wrote:Now that's not me saying i think we should do that at this point in time .... but we could.

No, but your alter-ego PaceDog was salivating over attacking Iran......

Anything to satisfy that warmongering nut, Netanyahu......

Hopefully, President Obama will throw cold water on the idea of attacking Iran. We already saw what invading Iraq lead to, and Dubya's inner circle thought that would be an easy cake-walk. Of course, Dubya wasn't too bright, as the record shows, and Iraq turned out to be a nightmare.

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It wouldn't even require conventional weaponry or invasion... not even something on the scale of this to target bombs.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3734-neutrino-beam-could-neutralise-nuclear-bombs.html#.VZl7XMq2Vwo

It would simply take small scale neutrinos to compromise the integrity of the containment structure.

But that's not even on the table. Obama has allowed the position that their program is peaceful for energy production.

Dispite the fact that they have enough oil to power their society for generations. This is either naive or idiocy.

Strait of Hormuz: The World's Key Oil Choke Point

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/energy/great-energy-challenge/strait-of-hormuz/

The shipping channel through the Strait is just 2-miles wide, and would take little if Iran decided to close it to traffic. Attack Iran if you wish; but then do not complain when the price of your gasoline springs past $5.00 per gallon.

$200 per barrel oil will be great for fossil-fuel investors; not so good for the average American, however....
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PkrBum wrote:Dispite the fact that they have enough oil to power their society for generations. This is either naive or idiocy.

Can you quantify that statement with fact?

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10We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/5/2015, 3:14 pm

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Dispite the fact that they have enough oil to power their society for generations. This is either naive or idiocy.

Can you quantify that statement with fact?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Iran

11We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/5/2015, 3:35 pm

Hell everybody's happy. The MIC gets their blood money, the bankers and wall st. get something to blame the economic crash on and the progressives may get a martial law induced Dictator.....Obama...win win win...except for some Iranians looking for parity in their world.

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12We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/5/2015, 3:47 pm

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We are not there yet......Kerry Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTiAyAl1_TmI0Nas6Q8AUkpev7_9dHWU3A1qPIR87dSLflhnMczDg

Don't be so pessimistic Teo. The Iranians can then have their Arab Spring and the United States can leave another embassy in a governmentless country..... "What difference does it make?"

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13We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/5/2015, 4:35 pm

Damaged Eagle wrote:"What difference does it make?"

Fox News context.

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14We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/5/2015, 4:49 pm

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The message should be clear... comply fully with all international restrictions and inspections... or we shut down their reactors and enrichment with neutrino bursts and if necessary emps. There's no sane rational to allow a terrorist sponsor to have a path to nukes. They are already destabilizing other countries and expanding their influence... which will only increase further as economic sanctions are lessened. They have exhibited no good will that leads anyone to believe differently... unless we're back to that hopey changey bs.

15We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/5/2015, 4:55 pm

PkrBum wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Dispite the fact that they have enough oil to power their society for generations. This is either naive or idiocy.

Can you quantify that statement with fact?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Iran

Iran likes to sell its oil abroad. So does Saudi Arabia. This is how they fund their respective governments. Both countries have a problem having to do with gradually increasing domestic consumption. Increased domestic consumption = less oil available for export. Both countries also worry that their reserves face depletion. Both are actively looking at alternatives to fossil fuels for power generation. This focus in Saudi Arabia centers around solar power generation. In Iran, it centers on electricity from nuclear power. The NNPT allows signatories to develop nuclear power industries.

Another factor facing countries with large petroleum reserves is certainty/uncertainty that might be associated with the global climate change movement, which wants to shut-down the fossil fuel industry. If I were Iran, I would be hedging my bets and keeping all of my options open.

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16We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/5/2015, 5:00 pm

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Damaged Eagle wrote:"What difference does it make?"

Fox News context.

We are not there yet......Kerry Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRGD6PzF3LUbnfJlOQDPfxp2DxobVq2ceeoW3AGBKYeMeuhPT4c

Over 25,000 murdered in Libya by the blood soaked Nobel Champion Of Peace, without Congressional approval, as the progressives cheered him on and left an embassy in a governmentless land that they created for the staff there to be butchered.
(Damaged Eagle context}

So yes. "What difference does it make?"

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17We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/5/2015, 8:43 pm

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Dispite the fact that they have enough oil to power their society for generations. This is either naive or idiocy.

Can you quantify that statement with fact?

Are you really as ignorant as you portray on here or do you work at it?

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18We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/5/2015, 8:58 pm

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:There will be no deal without the consent of Israel.   They have too much influence over US politics/foreign-policy for that to be allowed.

Of course, you agree with all of that........

Hopefully, President Obama will break the cycle of Israel running America around like a dog. He does not get along with that hothead Israeli PM, Bibi. I'll drink to that!

This is what we need to break away from:

We are not there yet......Kerry Ariel_10

So that makes it true?

IMAGINE if we all the infamous quotes of semi-retired President Obama in pretty little boxes with his picture?

We are not there yet......Kerry BypassingCongress

Is this true today?

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19We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/5/2015, 9:32 pm

Is this true today?

You bet.....the stakes for the White House have never been higher.

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20We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/5/2015, 10:16 pm

Markle wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Dispite the fact that they have enough oil to power their society for generations. This is either naive or idiocy.

Can you quantify that statement with fact?

Are you really as ignorant as you portray on here or do you work at it?

We are not there yet......Kerry Socrat10

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21We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/5/2015, 11:36 pm

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Markle wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Dispite the fact that they have enough oil to power their society for generations. This is either naive or idiocy.

Can you quantify that statement with fact?

Are you really as ignorant as you portray on here or do you work at it?

We are not there yet......Kerry Socrat10
You're soooo easy!
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22We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/7/2015, 11:50 am

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Why observe a deadline (after deadline after deadline after deadline) when you haven't finished giving ground yet?

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0PF0HG20150707?irpc=932

23We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/7/2015, 2:01 pm

I wonder if we would be even having this argument if Israel had not taken steps to become the world's first undeclared nuclear power... The world still does not know how large the Israeli arsenal is, or what its composition is. No arguments can be made as to why they need nukes when none of their traditional enemies are nuclear powers.

At least North Korea---another "rogue" nuclear power--- has declared itself as so.

Nixon's gravest mistake was to cave-in to the Israelis when the evidence was clear in 1969 that they held the bomb. Instead of imposing immediate sanctions and cutting off American foreign aid, he told them it was okay to keep their warheads; just don't tell the world that you have them.

I would estimate that the Israeli arsenal is nominally larger than those of France and Great Britain. The range of Israeli IRBMs is far beyond any nation that might directly threaten them.

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24We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/7/2015, 3:26 pm

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I wonder if we would be even having this argument if Israel had not taken steps to become the world's first undeclared nuclear power... The world still does not know how large the Israeli arsenal is, or what its composition is. No arguments can be made as to why they need nukes when none of their traditional enemies are nuclear powers.

At least North Korea---another "rogue" nuclear power--- has declared itself as so.

Nixon's gravest mistake was to cave-in to the Israelis when the evidence was clear in 1969 that they held the bomb. Instead of imposing immediate sanctions and cutting off American foreign aid, he told them it was okay to keep their warheads; just don't tell the world that you have them.

I would estimate that the Israeli arsenal is nominally larger than those of France and Great Britain. The range of Israeli IRBMs is far beyond any nation that might directly threaten them.

Really a sorry old vapid argument.

Once again, please show us where our closest, and democratic ally has sworn to wipe any other country off the map and run their people into the sea.

IF you cannot, and you cannot, please just remain quiet.

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25We are not there yet......Kerry Empty Re: We are not there yet......Kerry on 7/7/2015, 6:18 pm

Markle wrote:Really a sorry old vapid argument.

When I want to read "sorry, old vapid" material, I come to read one of YOUR threads. Semi-demented poster Markle never ceases to entertain us with his propaganda!

Our "closest, and democratic ally" is one of the world's most warmongering nations. They don't throw out threats using words, they just conduct pre-emptive invasions of places like Gaza, Lebanon, the West Bank, etc. Now they aim to attack Iran. They walk over the good will of the U.S. every day, and treat us like they own us. Congress kisses their ass at every turn, because they know they will be targeted by AIPAC if they do not. I commend President Obama for keeping that hothead Netanyahu at arm's length--Bibi cannot be trusted, and Obama knows this. Hopefully, Obama and Kerry will keep the attack on Iran in the bottle (all we need is a little more war in the Middle East.... Not! ).

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