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Same sex rulling empowers the Feds to over rule the states, nullifying the 10th amendment

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these new ‘rights’ were constructed in a way that sets a very dangerous precedent—that the federal government is able to dictate non-constitutional law to the States.

.......This relates to State-level same-sex marriage laws in that they are rights not defined within the Constitution, therefore reserved by the individual States themselves to interpret. Judge Scalia, one of the 4 dissenting Justices of the Supreme Court, had this to say:

   Although the policy arguments for extending marriage to same-sex couples may be compelling, the legal arguments for requiring such an extension are not. The fundamental right to marry does not include a right to make a State change its definition of marriage. And a State’s decision to maintain the meaning of marriage that has persisted in every culture throughout human history can hardly be called irrational. In short, our Constitution does not enact any one theory of marriage. The people of a State are free to expand marriage to include same-sex couples, or to retain the historic definition.

........... This ruling is not an expansion of rights but, rather, the establishment of a legal precedent by which States’ Rights can be nullified by the Federal Government. Don’t be fooled by the media coverage of the celebrations of civil rights advancement, we should all be mourning the fact that our government has allowed 5 individuals to dictate a national law meant to supersede State’s Rights.

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While we had not viewed this or read anything along this line, this is the exact discussion my husband and I had over lunch. It has to be about setting a new precedent because the states were coming around to gay marriage.

Always, always look behind the curtain.

Sal

Sal

Tears of a clown ....

Markle

Markle

Sal wrote:Tears of a clown ....

Don't know and don't care what is the 10th amendment, do you?

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Progressivism.


Both parties do it to further govt... by whatever means necessary.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Sal wrote:Tears of a clown ....

Don't know and don't care what is the 10th amendment, do you?



It may be cut and dry for you Markle, but the decision was five/four, and the predominate majority of us heartily approve that angry old white Christian conservative, curmudgeons like you and Scalia are, happily, no longer able to dictate how the rest of us should love or live.

2seaoat



While we had not viewed this or read anything along this line, this is the exact discussion my husband and I had over lunch. It has to be about setting a new precedent because the states were coming around to gay marriage.

Always, always look behind the curtain.

I understand T not being well read......but really, you do understand after some folks argued the right of some states to take rights away from individuals a war was fought and the terrorist were defeated and the 14th amendment was passed which extended equal rights to all citizens.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Any person who passed 8th grade civics understands that this supercedes the 10th amendment. Strike one.

Progressivism.


Both parties do it to further govt... by whatever means necessary.


lack of comprehension expands beyond expectation.....the 14th amendment passed to limit Government actions which impede individual liberty......is now in perfect dyslexia is to further government......I will be polite.....strike two.

Don’t be fooled by the media coverage of the celebrations of civil rights advancement, we should all be mourning the fact that our government has allowed 5 individuals to dictate a national law meant to supersede State’s Rights.

No congress passed the 14th Amendment and individual states ratified the same and our constitution was amended to stop STATES from taking equal protection of the law away from citizens of the United States.  Strike three.

Don't know and don't care what is the 10th amendment, do you?

The guy who has a new definition for inflation has expanded his idiotocracy to include avoidance of 150 years of case law where the 14th amendment has limited the 10th amendment....your out.

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2seaoat wrote:While we had not viewed this or read anything along this line, this is the exact discussion my husband and I had over lunch. It has to be about setting a new precedent because the states were coming around to gay marriage.

Always, always look behind the curtain.

I understand T not being well read......but really, you do understand after some folks argued the right of some states to take rights away from individuals a war was fought and the terrorist were defeated and the 14th amendment was passed which extended equal rights to all citizens.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Any person who passed 8th grade civics understands that this supercedes the 10th amendment. Strike one.

Progressivism.


Both parties do it to further govt... by whatever means necessary.


lack of comprehension expands beyond expectation.....the 14th amendment passed to limit Government actions which impede individual liberty......is now in perfect dyslexia is to further government......I will be polite.....strike two.

Don’t be fooled by the media coverage of the celebrations of civil rights advancement, we should all be mourning the fact that our government has allowed 5 individuals to dictate a national law meant to supersede State’s Rights.

No congress passed the 14th Amendment and individual states ratified the same and our constitution was amended to stop STATES from taking equal protection of the law away from citizens of the United States.  Strike three.

Don't know and don't care what is the 10th amendment, do you?

The guy who has a new definition for inflation has expanded his idiotocracy to include avoidance of 150 years of case law where the 14th amendment has limited the 10th amendment....your out.


It would be really great, OAT, if you could use the quote button. I tire of trying to determine to whom you are bitching.

My point being, the democratic process was flowing well with individual States discussing and passing law for homosexuals to marry. SCOTUS steps in and walks all over the 10th amendment. Why? States have not been seceding from the union in opposition to homosexual marriage. They have stepped up and passed the law in favor of of it.

While I'm not a foil hatter, I do have the gut feeling that once again the scope of power, that was equally based in three government branches to maintain a balance in the USA, has overstepped its boundary according to the Constitution of the United States of America.

There is more to this. There is more to the powers that are being overextended to this President and former Presidents.

And you know it. Mad

To argue and be an arrogant ass for the sake of arguing and being an arrogant ass clouds the issues around here.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Sal wrote:Tears of a clown ....

Don't know and don't care what is the 10th amendment, do you?



It may be cut and dry for you Markle, but the decision was five/four, and the predominate majority of us heartily approve that angry old white Christian conservative, curmudgeons like you and Scalia are, happily, no longer able to dictate how the rest of us should love or live.

No one was dictating how you love or live.

Markle

Markle

SheWrites wrote:
2seaoat wrote:While we had not viewed this or read anything along this line, this is the exact discussion my husband and I had over lunch. It has to be about setting a new precedent because the states were coming around to gay marriage.

Always, always look behind the curtain.

I understand T not being well read......but really, you do understand after some folks argued the right of some states to take rights away from individuals a war was fought and the terrorist were defeated and the 14th amendment was passed which extended equal rights to all citizens.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Any person who passed 8th grade civics understands that this supercedes the 10th amendment. Strike one.

Progressivism.


Both parties do it to further govt... by whatever means necessary.


lack of comprehension expands beyond expectation.....the 14th amendment passed to limit Government actions which impede individual liberty......is now in perfect dyslexia is to further government......I will be polite.....strike two.

Don’t be fooled by the media coverage of the celebrations of civil rights advancement, we should all be mourning the fact that our government has allowed 5 individuals to dictate a national law meant to supersede State’s Rights.

No congress passed the 14th Amendment and individual states ratified the same and our constitution was amended to stop STATES from taking equal protection of the law away from citizens of the United States.  Strike three.

Don't know and don't care what is the 10th amendment, do you?

The guy who has a new definition for inflation has expanded his idiotocracy to include avoidance of 150 years of case law where the 14th amendment has limited the 10th amendment....your out.


It would be really great, OAT, if you could use the quote button.  I tire of trying to determine to whom you are bitching.

My point being, the democratic process was flowing well with individual States discussing and passing law for homosexuals to marry.  SCOTUS steps in and walks all over the 10th amendment.  Why?  States have not been seceding from the union in opposition to homosexual marriage.  They have stepped up and passed the law in favor of of it.  

While I'm not a foil hatter, I do have the gut feeling that once again the scope of power, that was equally based in three government branches to maintain a balance in the USA, has overstepped its boundary according to the Constitution of the United States of America.

There is more to this.  There is more to the powers that are being overextended to this President and former Presidents.

And you know it. Mad

To argue and be an arrogant ass for the sake of arguing and being an arrogant ass clouds the issues around here.  


2seaoat must pick and chose what he attacks since his arguments don't stand up to an entire argument.

2seaoat



2seaoat must pick and chose what he attacks since his arguments don't stand up to an entire argument.



No my consistency and continuity of analysis hardly need to be retracted when people hardly understand constitutional issues. She thinks that fundamental liberty granted to every citizen of the United States can be rationally taken away by a state and that person's American rights are secondary.....this is the exact same argument which Mr. Markle makes but as usual not as articulate or without the comprehension. Pk is and T are on their usual magic carpet ride where they argue that the fundamental freedom and liberty of an individual is somehow now socialism comrade.....both have the conceptual Sybil syndrome where they have the same complicated by early onset dementia....so not only do they currently not know which side of the face they are talking, but they forgot what they said yesterday.....I am always here to assist, because clearly conceptual deficiencies are shared in this thread.


To argue and be an arrogant ass for the sake of arguing and being an arrogant ass clouds the issues around here.
It is tough passing eighth grade civics and because of the same being considered arrogant.......I know lucidity and understanding the constitution can cloud issues where comprehension is low....I try to teach....but few want to listen because I passed eighth grade civics and got a golden star from the teacher.....I get it....golden star envy.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/2012/02/nullification-unlawful-and-unconstitutional

Factsheet #101 on Rule of Law
February 8, 2012

Nullification: Unlawful and Unconstitutional

Nullification Is Unconstitutional

The Nullification Temptation: In order to challenge the federal government’s unconstitutional actions, states are looking for options to reassert their legitimate role in the constitutional structure of federalism. Unfortunately, despite good intentions, some have been tempted to embrace nullification—the claim that an individual state legislature has the authority to veto federal laws.

Supreme Law of the Land: At the center of our system of government is the United States Constitution: All federal and state officers and judges are bound by oath to support it and the laws of the United States made in pursuance thereof. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land—not the Supreme Court, the federal government, or an individual state legislature, for that matter.

Nullification Is Unconstitutional: The constitutional case against Obamacare can be made in detail and in general. State legislatures can do many things to object to, challenge, and seek the repeal of such federal laws. But there is no clause or implied power in either the national or the various state constitutions that enables states to veto federal laws unilaterally.

The Founders Rejected Nullification

Nullification Is Bad History: Advocates of nullification often point to Madison and Jefferson’s drafting of the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions of 1798—which protested the constitutionality of the Alien and Sedition Acts—as proof that the Founders advocated nullification. This is incorrect and misleading.
James Madison: Madison’s Virginia Resolutions did not speak of nullification or voiding laws, asserting that the resolutions did not “annul the acts” but were only “a legislative declaration of opinion on a constitutional point.” During the Nullification Crisis of 1832, Madison strongly denied John C. Calhoun’s theory of state nullification.

Thomas Jefferson: While Jefferson referred to nullification in the draft of the first Kentucky Resolutions (by which he meant a natural right to revolution outside the constitutional structure), the final language excluded the term and called on other states to join "in requesting their repeal at the next session of Congress." The 1799 version affirmed that the resolutions did not supersede federal law but were rather a “solemn protest” against the objectionable legislation.

The Constitutional Path

Madison’s Alternative: In the Virginia Resolutions, Madison asserted the power of states “to interpose for arresting the progress of evil, and for maintaining within their respective limits, the authorities, rights, and liberties appertaining to them.” This meant various state actions designed to arouse public opposition, challenge federal actions, and ultimately change or stop the objectionable action. Recent state Health Care Freedom Acts, not to mention subsequent legal challenges and pending elections, are good examples of state action challenging Obamacare.

The Constitutional Way to Change Laws: Rejecting nullification as an option does not mean that the states or the people have no recourse. The Constitution itself lays out the best path to change unconstitutional laws: object to the law and change opinions (and political leadership) in the political process, defund and slow its implementation, change or repeal the law, challenge it in the courts, and, if necessary, amend the Constitution.

For more information, please visit www.heritage.org.

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Nothing like being proud of your own enslavement ...

2seaoat



Nothing like being proud of your own enslavement ...


My life has been full of the knowledge of good people who were somehow made to feel that they were less than others because of race, creed, ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation.....I love people and the freedom we enjoy in this great country. If enslavement is living with hate, bigotry and unequal treatment under the law.....then I am confused what you and PK stand for.....individually I know you like Bob for who he is and would never stand for someone taking a right away from him or a country which makes him feel bad about who he is......if your persona of T is simply to clarify issues and debate the same, then hooray, but I have always felt that you individually would never stand silent in the face of unfairness.

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2seaoat wrote:Nothing like being proud of your own enslavement ...


My life has been full of the knowledge of good people who were somehow made to feel that they were less than others because of race, creed, ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation.....I love people and the freedom we enjoy in this great country.   If enslavement is living with hate, bigotry and unequal treatment under the law.....then I am confused what you and PK stand for.....individually I know you like Bob for who he is and would never stand for someone taking a right away from him or a country which makes him feel bad about who he is......if your persona of T is simply to clarify issues and debate the same, then hooray, but I have always felt that you individually would never stand silent in the face of unfairness.
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Can't we get some more cameras taking pictures of these guys kissing...?

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