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Homegrown Radicals More Deadly Than Jihadis in U.S.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?ref=us


This is why it isn't a good idea to pander to dumb people.



WASHINGTON — In the 14 years since Al Qaeda carried out attacks on New York and the Pentagon, extremists have regularly executed smaller lethal assaults in the United States, explaining their motives in online manifestoes or social media rants.

But the breakdown of extremist ideologies behind those attacks may come as a surprise. Since Sept. 11, 2001, nearly twice as many people have been killed by white supremacists, antigovernment fanatics and other non-Muslim extremists than by radical Muslims: 48 have been killed by extremists who are not Muslim, compared with 26 by self-proclaimed jihadists, according to a count by New America, a Washington research center.

The slaying of nine African-Americans in a Charleston, S.C., church last week, with an avowed white supremacist charged with their murders, was a particularly savage case. But it is only the latest in a string of lethal attacks by people espousing racial hatred, hostility to government and theories such as those of the “sovereign citizen” movement, which denies the legitimacy of most statutory law. The assaults have taken the lives of police officers, members of racial or religious minorities and random civilians.

Non-Muslim extremists have carried out 19 such attacks since Sept. 11, according to the latest count, compiled by David Sterman, a New America program associate, and overseen by Peter Bergen, a terrorism expert. By comparison, seven lethal attacks by Islamic militants have taken place in the same period.

If such numbers are new to the public, they are familiar to police officers. A survey to be published this week asked 382 police and sheriff’s departments nationwide to rank the three biggest threats from violent extremism in their jurisdiction. About 74 percent listed antigovernment violence, while 39 percent listed “Al Qaeda-inspired” violence, according to the researchers, Charles Kurzman of the University of North Carolina and David Schanzer of Duke University.

“Law enforcement agencies around the country have told us the threat from Muslim extremists is not as great as the threat from right-wing extremists,” said Dr. Kurzman, whose study is to be published by the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security and the Police Executive Research Forum.
John G. Horgan, who studies terrorism at the University of Massachusetts Lowell, said the mismatch between public perceptions and actual cases has become steadily more obvious to scholars.

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“There’s an acceptance now of the idea that the threat from jihadi terrorism in the United States has been overblown,” Dr. Horgan said. “And there’s a belief that the threat of right-wing, antigovernment violence has been underestimated.”

Counting terrorism cases is a notoriously subjective enterprise, relying on shifting definitions and judgment calls.

If terrorism is defined as ideological violence, for instance, should an attacker who has merely ranted about religion, politics or race be considered a terrorist? A man in Chapel Hill, N.C., who was charged with fatally shooting three young Muslim neighbors had posted angry critiques of religion, but he also had a history of outbursts over parking issues. (New America does not include this attack in its count.)

Likewise, what about mass killings in which no ideological motive is evident, such as those at a Colorado movie theater and a Connecticut elementary school in 2012? The criteria used by New America and most other research organizations exclude such attacks, which have cost more lives than those clearly tied to ideology.

Some killings by non-Muslims that most experts would categorize as terrorism have drawn only fleeting news media coverage, never jelling in the public memory. But to revisit some of the episodes is to wonder why.

In 2012, a neo-Nazi named Wade Michael Page entered a Sikh temple in Wisconsin and opened fire, killing six people and seriously wounding three others. Mr. Page, who died at the scene, was a member of a white supremacist group called the Northern Hammerskins.

In another case, in June 2014, Jerad and Amanda Miller, a married couple with radical antigovernment and neo-Nazi views, entered a Las Vegas pizza restaurant and fatally shot two police officers who were eating lunch. On the bodies, they left a swastika, a flag inscribed with the slogan “Don’t tread on me” and a note saying, “This is the start of the revolution.” Then they killed a third person in a nearby Walmart.

And, as in the case of jihadist plots, there have been sobering close calls. In November 2014 in Austin, Tex., a man named Larry McQuilliams fired more than 100 rounds at government buildings that included the Police Headquarters and the Mexican Consulate. Remarkably, his shooting spree hit no one, and he was killed by an officer before he could try to detonate propane cylinders he had driven to the scene.

Some Muslim advocates complain that when the perpetrator of an attack is not Muslim, media commentators quickly focus on the question of mental illness.

“With non-Muslims, the media bends over backward to identify some psychological traits that may have pushed them over the edge,” said Abdul Cader Asmal, a retired physician and a longtime spokesman for Boston’s Muslim community. “Whereas if it’s a Muslim, the assumption is that they must have done it because of their religion.”

On several occasions since President Obama took office, efforts by government agencies to conduct research on right-wing extremism have run into resistance from Republicans, who suspected an attempt to smear conservatives.

A 2009 report by the Department of Homeland Security, which warned that an ailing economy and the election of the first black president might prompt a violent reaction from white supremacists, was withdrawn in the face of conservative criticism. Its main author, Daryl Johnson, later accused the department of “gutting” its staffing for such research.

William Braniff, the executive director of the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism at the University of Maryland, said the outsize fear of jihadist violence reflects memories of Sept. 11, the daunting scale of sectarian conflict overseas and wariness of a strain of Islam that seems alien to many Americans.

“We understand white supremacists,” he said. “We don’t really feel like we understand Al Qaeda, which seems too complex and foreign to grasp.”

The contentious question of biased perceptions of terrorist threats dates back at least two decades, to the truck bombing that tore apart the federal building in Oklahoma City in April 1995. Some early media speculation about the attack assumed that it had been carried out by Muslim militants. The arrest of Timothy McVeigh, an antigovernment extremist, quickly put an end to such theories.

The bombing, which killed 168 people, including 19 children, remains the second-deadliest terrorist attack in American history, though its toll was dwarfed by the roughly 3,000 killed on Sept 11.

“If there’s one lesson we seem to have forgotten 20 years after Oklahoma City, it’s that extremist violence comes in all shapes and sizes,” said Dr. Horgan, the University of Massachusetts scholar. “And very often it comes from someplace you’re least suspecting.”


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That kid wasn't a white supremest just because he called himself one. He was a lazy video game playing loser with no real direction in his life. When I was a teenager I put fake bullet holes on my corvair and idolized and drove like James Bond. I wasn't even close.

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No mention of gangs, inner city violence/crime, and riots... that's odd.

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PkrBum wrote:No mention of gangs, inner city violence/crime, and riots... that's odd.


That's because the article is obviously comparing ideologically motivated violence as opposed to violence born out of poverty and drug trade.

It's amazing that this need be explained to you.


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Seems to me like the legal drug trade was THE primary motivator in this story slick...

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:That kid wasn't a white supremest just because he called himself one.


The kid is a white supremacist because he refers to himself as one, exhibits all of the traits of one, and also went out and killed several people in the name of white supremacy.


TEOTWAWKI wrote:He was a lazy video game playing loser with no real direction in his life. When I was a teenager I put fake bullet holes on my corvair and idolized and drove like James Bond. I wasn't even close.


How on earth is you pretending to be James Bond in any way comparable to this kid actually going out, writing a manifesto, and then murdering a group of people.

Yes, TEOTWAWKI. You certainly were not the real thing. This kid, on the other hand, is.


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TEOTWAWKI wrote:Seems to me like the legal drug trade was THE primary motivator in this story slick...


Yes, but that is because you're a backwoods, racist idiot who believes that vaccines are worse than the diseases they prevent, among other things.


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boards of FL wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:That kid wasn't a white supremest just because he called himself one.


The kid is a white supremacist because he refers to himself as one, exhibits all of the traits of one, and also went out and killed several people in the name of white supremacy.


TEOTWAWKI wrote:He was a lazy video game playing loser with no real direction in his life. When I was a teenager I put fake bullet holes on my corvair and idolized and drove like James Bond. I wasn't even close.


How on earth is you pretending to be James Bond in any way comparable to this kid actually going out, writing a manifesto, and then murdering a group of people.  

Yes, TEOTWAWKI.  You certainly were not the real thing.  This kid, on the other hand, is.

Like I said That dumb assed woman that called herself black wasn't was she...he was just a kid and latched onto something that made him feel empowered...the same reason poor fatherless kids join gangs in droves...

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boards of FL wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Seems to me like the legal drug trade was THE primary motivator in this story slick...


Yes, but that is because you're a backwoods, racist idiot who believes that vaccines are worse than the diseases they prevent, among other things.

You are drunken sot with very few functional brain cells left . Where the hell do you get off calling me racist..tell my black neighbors that I eat barbecue with and help fix their automobiles that....

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boards of FL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:No mention of gangs, inner city violence/crime, and riots... that's odd.


That's because the article is obviously comparing ideologically motivated violence as opposed to violence born out of poverty and drug trade.

It's amazing that this need be explained to you.

Statistically... which do you suppose takes more lives and destroys more property... and is therefore more significant?

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Seems to me like the legal drug trade was THE primary motivator in this story slick...


Yes, but that is because you're a backwoods, racist idiot who believes that vaccines are worse than the diseases they prevent, among other things.

You are drunken sot with very few functional brain cells left . Where the hell do you get off calling me racist..tell my black neighbors that I eat barbecue with  and help fix their automobiles that....


From years of reading your posts.


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There is a pressing government need to clamp down on any objection as they change into a more authoritarian and controlling type. This kid is their poster boy proving that homegrown terrorists are real and now they seek license from the trembling masses of Americans to further militarize and empower the police state..seems like a simple formula to me.

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boards of FL wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Seems to me like the legal drug trade was THE primary motivator in this story slick...


Yes, but that is because you're a backwoods, racist idiot who believes that vaccines are worse than the diseases they prevent, among other things.

You are drunken sot with very few functional brain cells left . Where the hell do you get off calling me racist..tell my black neighbors that I eat barbecue with  and help fix their automobiles that....


From years of reading your posts.  

Then you can't read very well but I am not surprised when you were probably looking at the screen through the bottom of a shot glass.

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boards of FL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:No mention of gangs, inner city violence/crime, and riots... that's odd.


That's because the article is obviously comparing ideologically motivated violence as opposed to violence born out of poverty and drug trade.

It's amazing that this need be explained to you.

Statistically... which do you suppose takes more lives and destroys more property... and is therefore more significant?


In the US?  Most likely drug trade.  This is why I support ending the war on drugs.   We could easily fix problems born out of poverty and drug trade through legislation...if only ignorant voters of a particular base would either hurry up and die or stay home.

Problems born of ideological ignorance are much more difficult to deal with.    Take TEO and yourself, for example.  Not much can be done there.  We can lead a horse to water, but we still can't make them drink.  If some people out there choose to discount the unanimous world consensus on climate science that exists within the scientific community and instead decide to believe their pastor when he/she says that our environmental problems are really due to gay sex...well....that is a tough nut to crack.

Education is the key.


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Ramble much ? How did we get to climate change ? Come on you dunces can't even decide whether it's warming or cooling so you just say climate change which is like saying nothing....yes the climate changes always has..but if I give Al Gore money he can stop it..Bhahahahaha....

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:Ramble much ?   How did we get to climate change ?


By pointing to the difference between addressing ideologically motivated actions and actions born out of poverty and drug trade.


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TEOTWAWKI wrote:Ramble much ?   How did we get to climate change ?


By pointing to the difference between addressing ideologically motivated actions and actions born out of poverty and drug trade.

In this kids case, like in every case involving kids practically, the warped ideology was born out of poverty drugs and lack of guidance at a critical time in their lives. The kid was not a white supremest ask his black boyfriend.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Seems to me like the legal drug trade was THE primary motivator in this story slick...


Yes, but that is because you're a backwoods, racist idiot who believes that vaccines are worse than the diseases they prevent, among other things.

You are drunken sot with very few functional brain cells left . Where the hell do you get off calling me racist..tell my black neighbors that I eat barbecue with  and help fix their automobiles that....


From years of reading your posts.  

Then you can't read very well but I am not surprised when you were probably looking at the screen through the bottom of a shot glass.


That reminds me.  I plan on grilling burgers this weekend.  Which recipe should I go with?

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:
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TEOTWAWKI wrote:Ramble much ?   How did we get to climate change ?


By pointing to the difference between addressing ideologically motivated actions and actions born out of poverty and drug trade.

In this kids case, like in every case involving kids practically, the warped ideology was born out of poverty drugs and lack of guidance at a critical time in their lives. The kid was not a white supremest ask his black boyfriend.


We can give a $1,000,000 to a poor white supremacist. Then we will be left with a wealthy white supremacist.

If you can't even diagnose the problem, you certainly can't be looked to for a solution.


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boards of FL wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:
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TEOTWAWKI wrote:Ramble much ?   How did we get to climate change ?


By pointing to the difference between addressing ideologically motivated actions and actions born out of poverty and drug trade.

In this kids case, like in every case involving kids practically, the warped ideology was born out of poverty drugs and lack of guidance at a critical time in their lives. The kid was not a white supremest ask his black boyfriend.


We can give a $1,000,000 to a poor white supremacist.  Then we will be left with a wealthy white supremacist.  

If you can't even diagnose the problem, you certainly can't be looked to for a solution.

I assume you have never missed a meal and had a good Father. Your only problem is you think you are an intellectual that knows what's best for everyone else.

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Gangs and criminal orgs make a great deal of money... preying on their own people I might add.

I bet the kkk has about the same number of blacks as the crips, bloods, or the black panthers have whites..

I don't want to dampen your message though... you should take it and your liberal white guilt to the ghetto.

They'd looove you.

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