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1Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING Empty Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING on 9/1/2012, 1:35 pm

I know all politicians lie, but this guy is absolutely pathological.

Last week, in an interview with Hugh Hewitt, Paul Ryan said that he had run a marathon in under three hours, or, more precisely, “I had a two hour and fifty-something.” That is quite speedy, and running fans in the forums of Letsrun.com treated the claim with great skepticism. The Internet bears no trace of the run, and Ryan doesn’t have the extremely lean frame of your typical fast marathoner. Also, people who run that quickly are generally neurotic about their times. Shouldn’t Ryan remember his exactly? “He is too intense and driven to just forget something like that,” one commentator wrote.
Slate and Runner’s World investigated. Questions were raised, given the criticism of Ryan’s honesty in his convention speech. This evening, the terrific running journalist Scott Douglas figured out that Ryan had actually run a 4:01 in the Grandma’s Marathon in Duluth, Minnesota, in 1990, when he was a college student. This is not quite so fast. A 2:55 would have put Ryan in a hundred and thirtieth place, out of the thirty-two hundred and seventy-seven men in that race. A 4:01 put him in nineteen hundred and ninetieth place. It’s the difference between racing and running.

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He certainly holds no monopoly on lies as they come naturally from all politicians.

The bigger the lie........he is the lie. We can fix things with a few honest men. I wish Mitt Romney's dad was his son......we would be back on a path of sanity, and Americans would come first. Ryan is the wealthy lawyer's son who had the silver spoon, and thinks because his dad died at 16 and he worked at a Mac's that somehow he can speak for the average American. He is a self serving fool, who is only eclipsed by the wimp from Virginia Eric Cantor, for leading the Republican party into a dead end alley of xenophobic self interest, when we need folks who give a damn about Americans, and who connect policy with reality. These fools are simply shills who put their self interest and that of the oligarchy before America.......sure.....he probably has an under 10 100 meter, and a 18 foot pole vault......wannabees.....the whole GD bunch.

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Desperate Media Scramble to Call Paul Ryan a Liar Ignores the Facts


Immediately after Paul Ryan concluded his acceptance speech for the Republican Party's vice presidential nomination on Wednesday, the media sought ways to tear down the Wisconsin Congressman's indictment of the failures of the Obama administration. In particular, networks and newspapers attempted to knock down Ryan's accurate claim that President Obama promised to keep open a GM plant that closed in 2009.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and PolitiFact quickly labeled Ryan's criticism as "false," claiming Obama made no such promise and that the plant closed before he took office. But as The Examiner's Conn Carroll detailed on Thursday, that supposed "fact check" was false:

In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: "As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America"....In April 2009, four months after Obama was inaugurated, GM idled production of medium-duty trucks....Today the GM facility in Janesville still has not been retooled “so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs,” as Obama promised.

It's one thing for PolitiFact to get it wrong, but the entire liberal media establishment seized on the convenient talking point and ran with it.

A Thursday Washington Post editorial board article entitled "Mr. Ryan's misleading speech," proclaimed: "Emblematic of the liberties Mr. Ryan took was his depiction of the hometown auto plant whose shuttering he implicitly blamed on Mr. Obama — even though the plant closed before the president was inaugurated."

In The New York Times, David Firestone ranted: "An army of fact-checkers swarmed around Paul Ryan's acceptance speech last night, and the verdict was swift and unanimous: lies, omissions, a sweeping rewrite of recent history....Take the GM plant in his hometown of Janesville, which he suggested closed because of President Obama, when it really shut down in 2008, before he took office."

Mere moments after Ryan finished his address to the GOP convention Wednesday night, ABC's Democratic operative turned Good Morning America host George Stephanopoulos eagerly touted: "I got an e-mail from a top Democrat saying the speech was audacious in its dishonesty."

NBC Today host Matt Lauer on Thursday similarly relied on Democratic spin to question the speech: "Stephanie Cutter, the deputy campaign manager for the Obama campaign, said, 'Forty minutes of vitriol and half a dozen previously debunked attacks.' Was it an honest speech or was it just a campaign convention speech?"

That night, on NBC's Nightly News, political director and chief White House correspondent Chuck Todd lectured Ryan: "...some of his most effective lines have raised some eyebrows because of either facts he changed or simply left out....what he said many times was technically factual, by what he left out, actually distorted the actual truth."

In an interview with Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker on Thursday, CNN host Piers Morgan made his attempt at a fact check: "But there were a lot of question marks, I think, raised, about some of what he was saying, notably the GM plant story, which by any real criteria was disingenuous, to put it mildly. Would you accept that?...it closed down under George Bush, in December of that year." Walker corrected him: "Announced that it closed down. It actually closed down in 2009..."

In an interview with Ryan himself on Thursday, CNN's Wolf Blitzer continued to suggest the remarks were untrue: "Now the GM plant in Janesville, you're getting some grief on that. Do you want to revise and amend what you said?...they announced that plant was shutting down in June 2008. That was during the Bush administration."

This is the perfect example of what happens when major media outlets outsource journalism, rather than check the facts for themselves. For many of them, it was probably just too good to check.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2012/08/31/desperate-media-scramble-call-paul-ryan-liar-ignores-facts#ixzz25FIMC9VU

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Pure nonsense. Ryan's speech was one continuous lie of omission. Do you even know what was being built in Janesville? For years prior to 2008 they were pumping out Yukons and Chevy Suburbans.......you tell me what the future of that plant was? It does not take a rocket science major, but it does take an honest man. I know Janesville. I have a former golf buddy who owns a golf course in Janesville. For someone from Janesville to go before the American people and state that President Obama is somehow responsible for a failure in the American auto industry, and that he somehow has failed to reopen the plant........well people who have a brain and know about the history of Janesville are scratching their head that people would listen to this crap, and even more astounding is that people would actually try to rationalize Ryan's lies of omission. The Republican party has been taken over by a dark evil force. There are still good Goldwater Republicans out there.....but big money has turned the leadership into two bit prostitutes for wealth which has no borders, and has no patriotism. Ryan is a liar. President Obama even if he had every member of Congress pouring money into Janesville to build Chevy Suburbans....there is no fricking market, and it used to be Republicans believed in the free market and understood no politician creates demand or has a rat tail's influence on the economy......it will take years to fix what it took 30 years to destroy......trickle down economics and failed policies which consolidated wealth in the ruling Oligarchy is the villian, not President Obama who is just another shill for different interests of the same Oligarchy....nope the media did not make Ryan a liar.....talk to someone from Janesville.

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According to this writer for Fox "news" it might have been Ryan's intent to "distract" from the reality of his voting history and his budget. That's something to think about. Here's a bit from the last part of her article.
3. Distracting
And then there’s what Ryan didn’t talk about.
Ryan didn’t mention his extremist stance on banning all abortions with no exception for rape or incest, a stance that is out of touch with 75% of American voters.
Ryan didn’t mention his previous plan to hand over Social Security to Wall Street.
Ryan didn’t mention his numerous votes to raise spending and balloon the deficit when George W. Bush was president.
Ryan didn’t mention how his budget would eviscerate programs that help the poor and raise taxes on 95% of Americans in order to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires even further and increase — yes, increase —the deficit.
These aspects of Ryan’s resume and ideology are sticky to say the least. He would have been wise to tackle them head on and try and explain them away in his first real introduction to voters. But instead of Ryan airing his own dirty laundry, Democrats will get the chance.
At the end of his speech, Ryan quoted his dad, who used to say to him, “"Son. You have a choice: You can be part of the problem, or you can be part of the solution."
Ryan may have helped solve some of the likeability problems facing Romney, but ultimately by trying to deceive voters about basic facts and trying to distract voters from his own record, Ryan’s speech caused a much larger problem for himself and his running mate.
Sally Kohn is a Fox News contributor and writer.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz25FXjIcOO

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2seaoat wrote:Pure nonsense. Ryan's speech was one continuous lie of omission. Do you even know what was being built in Janesville? For years prior to 2008 they were pumping out Yukons and Chevy Suburbans.......you tell me what the future of that plant was? It does not take a rocket science major, but it does take an honest man. I know Janesville. I have a former golf buddy who owns a golf course in Janesville. For someone from Janesville to go before the American people and state that President Obama is somehow responsible for a failure in the American auto industry, and that he somehow has failed to reopen the plant........well people who have a brain and know about the history of Janesville are scratching their head that people would listen to this crap, and even more astounding is that people would actually try to rationalize Ryan's lies of omission. The Republican party has been taken over by a dark evil force. There are still good Goldwater Republicans out there.....but big money has turned the leadership into two bit prostitutes for wealth which has no borders, and has no patriotism. Ryan is a liar. President Obama even if he had every member of Congress pouring money into Janesville to build Chevy Suburbans....there is no fricking market, and it used to be Republicans believed in the free market and understood no politician creates demand or has a rat tail's influence on the economy......it will take years to fix what it took 30 years to destroy......trickle down economics and failed policies which consolidated wealth in the ruling Oligarchy is the villian, not President Obama who is just another shill for different interests of the same Oligarchy....nope the media did not make Ryan a liar.....talk to someone from Janesville.

Obama did promise to keep the plant open. Was that a lie?????

The plant closed in April/May 2009, you want to watch a video from the local News Channel? It's on Breitbart, and everyone is laughing. Maybe Big Union Ed can call into question lying eyes?

You were screwed on real estate, I'm sorry. I retired at 54, I'm now 61. Thank God for stocks.....

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8Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING Empty Re: Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING on 9/1/2012, 10:02 pm

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Obama did promise to keep the plant open. Was that a lie?????

The plant closed in April/May 2009, you want to watch a video from the local News Channel? It's on Breitbart, and everyone is laughing. Maybe Big Union Ed can call into question lying eyes?

You were screwed on real estate, I'm sorry. I retired at 54, I'm now 61. Thank God for stocks.....
As is so often the case reality is a bit more complicated than originally portrayed. The GM contract ended in December 2008.
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[color=blue][Here's a transcript of Obama's speech given on February 13, 2008. He said he wanted the plant to thrive right where it was and thought it could be re-tooled but I don't see anything like a promise from him to keep it open. color]

On February 13, 2008, Democratic Presidential Candidate Barack Obama stated, "This can be America’s future. I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your Governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you’ve made – how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you’re churning out. And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it’s where it will thrive. I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America; right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your President."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janesville_GM_Assembly_Plant

Also from the same article an explanation of the continuing production at the plant after the December 2008 main, and for all intents and purposes plant closing. I don't think this is a very complicated story and didn't take long to dig through so I think the news reports complaining about Ryan's speech's inaccuracies could have been explained more accurately. Exectpt for the 57 employees left to work a few more months the plant was effectively closed. I do agree with the complaints re him saying Obama Promised to keep the plant open though.

In October 2008, GM announced Janesville Assembly would be largely idled December 23, 2008 when production of SUVs would end.[14] On December 23, workers gathered at a ceremony to take photos with a banner reading "Last Vehicle off the Janesville Assembly Line". The last vehicle was sold in a raffle benefiting the United Way.[15]
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57 production employees continued assembly work at the Janesville Assembly until April 2009, completing the GM/Isuzu light truck partnership and then an additional 40 to 50 "skilled trade employees" worked to decommission the plant.[16]

This is part of an article from politifact. Their information matches up with that from wikipedia. 7,000 people worked there in 1978!

In 1918, General Motors bought a farm implement manufacturing plant in Janesville, a city of 60,000 near the Illinois border. Production of Chevrolets began there in 1923. Employment peaked at 7,100 in 1978, but a series of five layoffs occurred over the next 30 years.

By December 2008, when President George W. Bush authorized nearly $14 billion in loans to General Motors and Chrysler, both of which were near financial collapse, GM had already warned it might close the Janesville plant because of sagging sport-utility vehicle sales. The plant was effectively shut down on Dec. 23, 2008, when GM ceased production of SUVs there and laid off 1,200 workers. (Several dozen workers stayed on another four months to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors.)

So, the plant closed while Bush was still in office, about a month before Obama was inaugurated.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/aug/29/paul-ryan/did-barack-obama-break-promise-keep-gm-plant-open/

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9Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING Empty Re: Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING on 9/1/2012, 10:16 pm

Please show me the quote where the President promised to reopen the Janesville plant.........maybe the stock market has been good to you, but you need to take a remedial English comprehension class. The President never....and I repeat never promised to reopen the Janesville plant. Even a blind pig will find an acorn once and awhile. The man lied. The silly part of the lie is that it was unnecessary.

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10Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING Empty Re: Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING on 9/1/2012, 10:20 pm

You were screwed on real estate, I'm sorry. I retired at 54, I'm now 61. Thank God for stocks.....


I do not know one successful business person who retires at 54......they can take all the time they want off, and they like the challenges of their work. I know some people who worked for UPS who retired at 54, and they to got a nice profit sharing plan.....and they too did well with stocks. I guess it is each to their own.

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11Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING Empty Re: Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING on 9/3/2012, 1:24 pm

I still think there's a distinct possibility that the Ryan speech was designed to distract from what was then the current topic du jour, namely the refusal of Romney to release more years of his income tax records.

How much have you heard about that lately? In this ADD 24 hour news cycle his tax returns have fallen off the radar screen. How convenient and useful for him.
Maybe he's afraid they'd be gone over by fact checkers? LOL!


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12Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING Empty Re: Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING on 9/3/2012, 3:00 pm

Sarah Palin beat Ryan's marathon time.......she really was an athletic stud, and played great competitive basketball. I really think she is a momma grizzly bear, and if she only told Katy that you know what Katy, I do not read as much as I should, I am not really up on national issues, but I will focus and improve, just like I did as mayor and governor.......instead she acted and pretended.........it destroyed her career. Paul Ryan is simply one big lie.....he did not have to lie.......he did not have to create lies about Obama....there is plenty of truth which will allow him to be judged by the American electorate.

At least the wimp trio of Cantor, Romney, and Ryan are showing their real colors.........Sarah could kick all their silly butts.

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13Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING Empty Re: Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING on 9/3/2012, 8:39 pm

2seaoat wrote:You were screwed on real estate, I'm sorry. I retired at 54, I'm now 61. Thank God for stocks.....


I do not know one successful business person who retires at 54......they can take all the time they want off, and they like the challenges of their work. I know some people who worked for UPS who retired at 54, and they to got a nice profit sharing plan.....and they too did well with stocks. I guess it is each to their own.

You don't know me. You want my Phone number? You went real estate, I went oil in 1998. Check out the price per BBL in 1998.

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14Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING Empty Re: Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING on 9/3/2012, 9:29 pm

If you are happy retired, well a big thumbs up. I never wanted to retire.....I just have taken time off for the last 20 years when I wanted to.......my boss is a complete idiot, and I see him every morning when I shave.....well, now I am fibbing.....because I do not shave much anymore.

I cannot imagine not working. I know there will be a time when I cannot physically work, or my mental abilities will not allow the same, but until then, I enjoy my work. The stock market was good to me, but it was blind luck. 2008 confirmed that I had been simply lucky. Real estate on the other hand, had nothing to do with luck.......and even today, I own no real estate which is upside down, and all but one property cash flows. My tax savings have been great during my peak earning years, and as I slow down and fade away.....those long term capital gains are not too bad, and every one of my properties will show a gain......but they certainly will never return to 2005 levels in my lifetime, but my wife and children are not going to miss lunch because of my investments, but my greed.....that is another story.....and that I have paid a very dear price.

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15Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING Empty Re: Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING on 9/3/2012, 9:52 pm

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I'm kind of retired for the last 2 years... but I'm getting antsy.

16Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING Empty Re: Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING on 9/3/2012, 10:10 pm

my wife has laid down the rules......she wants me to slowdown now that she is retired from teaching. I keep thinking I am 30 and want to start a new project......and she usually ends up involved.....and she has simply said enough. Most woman would not put up with my Antsy........I think I am seriously a workaholic.......which I guess is not an entirely bad habit to have, but it can be tough on the ones you love. Illness has slowed me down, but I still think I am bulletproof and can still manage a project like I was 30.....sadly, I am up to about 12 hours a day sleeping.....and I get really really tired, but it is fun working still, and I think I would lose my mind if I could not continue to work. I made another final table last week in a tournament, and I am golfing Wed. for only the sixth time this year....but I almost broke par earlier this summer as golf buddies think I am sandbagging my handicap, and I am out playing everyday.....nope.....when you are sick you slow everything down......slow and easy is good in golf.....I used to have a damn baseball swing and would simply crush the ball......now the ball goes far with a smooth slow swing, and I am tickled pink because I am getting into their wallets, and I honestly am not playing the game that much anymore. A 78 on a windy day at Tiger is as good as I used to score when I was a golf stud.....its ironic......sick and weak.....and kaboom, the damn ball goes further.

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17Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING Empty Re: Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING on 9/5/2012, 12:03 am

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18Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING Empty Re: Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING on 9/6/2012, 1:31 pm

Wow. Absolutely pathological ...

James Fallows at the Atlantic raised a concern earlier today that Paul Ryan may have lied when he told the press that he had completed around 40 especially-high mountain climbs in the Rockies. From Fallows:

Here's the first exception. Ryan has told his hometown paper that he has climbed "close to 40" of the famous "Fourteeners" in Colorado -- the 54 peaks more than 14,000 feet high. In fairness, he made this claim a few years ago, before he knew he would be under the scrutiny he is now.

The problem, Fallows notes, is that it takes an awful lot of time to make any individual climb, let alone 40 of them.

The 54 peaks are scattered throughout remote parts of Colorado and you have to visit out-of-the-way little towns and valleys to tick the list, towns and valleys that you would never visit otherwise....To have climbed forty and not be a resident means that you would have had to devote entire summers to climbing fourteeners, in essence becoming a "lifestyle" hiker/scrambler. I doubt Ryan had the time or dedication to fourteeners to take the required time out from his political career. Even if you did four a summer, that would be ten summers devoted to traveling to Colorado for the purpose of high altitude hiking. Even if you live here and can drive to the trail heads, forty is a huge commitment of time and energy.

The Romney campaign responded to Fallows, with a bit of a non sequitur:

Hey James - caught your entertaining piece. Unfortunately, you've got some bad info in there. We're not sure where this started, but he's not said 40 different peaks, its nearly 40 climbs - with a number of peaks climbed more than once. He's been doing them for more than 20 years. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article from '09 doesn't say 40 separate summits, but instead "He is fairly careful about what he eats, performs an intense cross-training routine known as P90X most mornings, and has made close to 40 climbs of Colorado's "Fourteeners" (14,000-foot peaks)."

Here's the problem. If the issue is that the Fourteeners are remote, and hard to get to if you're not a resident, and thus climbing 40 of them would have taken more time than Ryan likely has had in his relatively short life, it doesn't lessen the amount of time needed to make the climbs simply claiming that they werent 40 "different" mountain peaks. So the campaign's answer doesn't pass muster.

But it's even worse. Ryan has been a congressman since 1999 - the past 13 years. He's supposedly been climbing these peaks for "more than 20 years," so let's say 21 years. Where did Paul Ryan find the time to take a few months off each summer to climb these peaks while serving as a member of the US House of Representatives? (The expert climbers say he'd need an entire summer to climb the mountains at the pace he claimed, but let's say his pace was slower, so that's why I'm saying 6 weeks to 8 weeks of vacation for climbing.)

First off, just how much vacation time did Mr. Ryan take each summer on the public dole - does he think this is France?

Second, I've worked for a member of Congress - their schedules are brutal. Even during "recess," they're not on recess - they're back home holding multiple meetings a day with constituents. There's no way Paul Ryan took several months off each summer to go hiking, his job wouldn't permit it.

So most of Ryan's climbs would have had to have happened during the 8 years he wasn't a member of Congress. And if expert climbers say it's highly unlikely that any one man could compete 40 climbs in twenty years, imagine how hard it would be to complete 40 climbs in only 8 years?

Not to mention, if the campaign is claiming that Ryan did the same mountains over and over again, then he likely didn't do the same mountain twice during the same trip - that would be a bit stupid, climbing up, climbing down, then climbing back up and down again on the same mountain. So during each individual trip, Ryan climbed several different mountains, which meant additional travel time getting to the other mountains.

In any case, after Paul Ryan lied about his marathon time (something actual marathoners are saying is rather un-credible), now it seems that he also may have lied about his supposed mountaineering. If Ryan lied about this too, after making a record number of lies during his convention keynote, he may become a larger and larger drag on the Romney ticket, as they fight to explain his aversion to the truth instead of criticizing President Obama's record.

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salinsky wrote:Wow. Absolutely pathological ...

record.

Wow - this is real important stuff Sally!!! All that "mountain climbing and marathoning" stuff - I am impressed with the due diligence in tracking and verifying everything down to how many bowel movements he has really had and whether Ryan told the truth 25 years ago to his high school buddies about when he first got laid. Maybe you can figure out why BHO continues to lie about some more important things, particularly about how much better off we are now than 4 years ago.

National Debt
2009: 10.6 Trillion
Now: 16 Trillion
Treasurydirect.gov

Food Stamps
2009: 32.2 million people enrolled
Now: 46.2 million people enrolled
Bloomberg.com

Unemployment
2009: 7.8%
Now: 8.3%
bls.gov

Median Household Income
2009: $54,983
Now: $50,964
forbes.com

Gas Prices
2009: $1.85
Now: $3.80
Consumerreports.org
eia.gov

20Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING Empty Re: Paul Ryan Lies About EVERYTHING on 9/7/2012, 11:07 am

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salinsky wrote:Wow. Absolutely pathological ...

record.

Wow - this is real important stuff Sally!!! All that "mountain climbing and marathoning" stuff - I am impressed with the due diligence in tracking and verifying everything down to how many bowel movements he has really had and whether Ryan told the truth 25 years ago to his high school buddies about when he first got laid. Maybe you can figure out why BHO continues to lie about some more important things, particularly about how much better off we are now than 4 years ago.

National Debt
2009: 10.6 Trillion
Now: 16 Trillion
Treasurydirect.gov

Food Stamps
2009: 32.2 million people enrolled
Now: 46.2 million people enrolled
Bloomberg.com

Unemployment
2009: 7.8%
Now: 8.3%
bls.gov

Median Household Income
2009: $54,983
Now: $50,964
forbes.com

Gas Prices
2009: $1.85
Now: $3.80
Consumerreports.org
eia.gov

Yes, Rep Ryan did say that [name] COWH is a decent man...that a lie too?..

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