Silence continues on the forum regarding Ferguson.

Vikingwoman wrote:Sounds like Brown did try to grab the weapon in the vehicle. His blood was found on the door panel, gun and on the officer's uniform.

2seaoat wrote:Same stance if he is charging the officer.

So a person just got shot by an officer in the hand after being dragged into the squad, and after being shot starts running, and is being shot at some more, you think the natural thing to do is to turn and charge an officer with a gun in excess of fifty feet away.   What fairy tale is somebody trying to sell here.  Four witnesses who stepped forward and made public statements immediately saw the hands up.

2seaoat wrote:Same stance if he is charging the officer.

So a person just got shot by an officer in the hand after being dragged into the squad, and after being shot starts running, and is being shot at some more, you think the natural thing to do is to turn and charge an officer with a gun in excess of fifty feet away.   What fairy tale is somebody trying to sell here.  Four witnesses who stepped forward and made public statements immediately saw the hands up.

Sal wrote:

Vikingwoman wrote:Sounds like Brown did try to grab the weapon in the vehicle. His blood was found on the door panel, gun and on the officer's uniform.

I don't see how you can jump to that conclusion.

There's no dispute that there was a struggle in the cop's vehicle.

Brown's companion claimed that the cop grabbed Brown, and that Brown struggled to escape, and that's when the cop pulled his gun.

The hand wound could just as easily be a defensive wound.

The leaking of this "official" autopsy and the characterizations that it's supportive of the police version of events is an attempt to build and advance a narrative exonerating the cop.

The whole Ferguson criminal justice system is rotten to the core.

2seaoat wrote:Dragged into the squad car......better check those height and weight forensics again. Physically impossible!

All four witnesses said the officer grabbed and pulled Michael into the squad.....consistent with the cop being out of control from the git go telling them to get on the f'ing sidewalk......how would you have responded as you and a friend were walking on the street and a cop pulled up and said the same?

Vikingwoman wrote:
Brown had wounds to his thumb and palm shot from an inch away. That's how I jumped to that conclusion.

Sal wrote:

Vikingwoman wrote:
Brown had wounds to his thumb and palm shot from an inch away. That's how I jumped to that conclusion.

People who are attacked with knives routinely have stab wounds to their hands.

They are not the result of reaching for the knife.

2seaoat wrote:The struggle and shooting in the car is not relevant to the charge of murder.  It is what happened after the struggle when the kid was running after being wounded.  It is like Pace trying to show voter fraud in a video by posting the dumbest logic with the hope that someone will buy into it.   That after being shot in the hand and running almost fifty plus feet from the squad, that he would stop and charge the police officer.............I have some Florida swampland to sell you.

2seaoat wrote:The struggle and shooting in the car is not relevant to the charge of murder.  It is what happened after the struggle when the kid was running after being wounded.  It is like Pace trying to show voter fraud in a video by posting the dumbest logic with the hope that someone will buy into it.   That after being shot in the hand and running almost fifty plus feet from the squad, that he would stop and charge the police officer.............I have some Florida swampland to sell you.

Sal wrote:

Can someone please explain why these men's immediate reactions are to lie?

2seaoat wrote:What were the injuries on the cop? He said Brown started punching him in the face when he told him to get on the sidewalk. Pretty believable from kid who just pushed a store clerk and took some cigars.


There has never been one witness who denied the struggle in the police car.  It happened.  The police officer drew his gun and shot Michael.  Michael ran wounded from the squad.  The officer exits firing away.  Michael turns with hands up and gets shot some more with a fatal headshot in that flurry of bullets.   What happen in the squad would have ended up with Michael being charged because of the struggle.   A good lawyer probably would have got him off before the officer shot him in the hand.  Once he was shot, he was going to face criminal charges.  So as far as I know, no person is saying Michael Brown did not struggle with the officer.  It would be important if it was relevant to the charge of murder.  Now if the officer is claiming self defense, that is an affirmative defense he can make, but the state has their case.......unless somebody's father was a policeman killed by a black man.....then that case may never see the light of day.

2seaoat wrote:The witnesses reported that they heard the shot in the squad and michael and his friend began running from the squad.  He traveled about fifty feet before he started getting hit from multiple gunshots, turned and raised his hands almost fifty feet from the approaching police officer who did not stop shooting.   What happened in the squad is irrelevant unless Michael had gotten the officers gun and was returning fire......that did not happen.  A wounded man was trying not to be shot and was surrendering when the fatal head shot happened.  Four completely consistent statements immediately made by witnesses.....yet the police did not take their statements.......do you not find that curious?