Here are some of those falsehoods.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/
Slicef18 wrote:Here are some of those falsehoods.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/
nochain wrote:Slicef18 wrote:Here are some of those falsehoods.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/
Everything I see about this indicates the program is so complex no one really knows what the unintended consequences are going to be.
Slicef18 wrote:nochain wrote:Slicef18 wrote:Here are some of those falsehoods.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/
Everything I see about this indicates the program is so complex no one really knows what the unintended consequences are going to be.
I think you are right. However, Social Security and Medicare had the same start.
nochain wrote:Slicef18 wrote:Here are some of those falsehoods.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/
Everything I see about this indicates the program is so complex no one really knows what the unintended consequences are going to be.
nochain wrote:Slicef18 wrote:nochain wrote:Slicef18 wrote:Here are some of those falsehoods.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/
Everything I see about this indicates the program is so complex no one really knows what the unintended consequences are going to be.
I think you are right. However, Social Security and Medicare had the same start.
One of my concerns, since SS and MC programs are rife with fraud, is where are the holes in the healthcare program? I tried to read (scan) the POS and ran out of time and interest after a few hundred pages.
othershoe1030 wrote:It's one thing to genuinely misunderstand a complicated part of the Affordable Care Act and totally another to simply come out with outrageously untrue statements such as the one about the IRS hiring 19,500 new employees when the actual number was 1,300 new workers, etc.
As everyone can see from reading the article the list of misinformation goes on and on.
It is precisely this sort of propaganda that keeps us divided into two warring camps.
It is interesting and necessary and expected that different people will have different views and approaches to social and political problems. These differences need to be worked out and compromised on to reach solutions to move the country forward, solve our problems.
However, the situation in DC is now so broken that approaches once promoted by the GOP are suddenly now seen as horrible merely because they are accepted and promoted by Democrats. That sort of thing is just stupid.
No amazing wonder that the special interests are running the country to their own benefit when we are left fighting over lies told about the ACA.
Slicef18 wrote:nochain wrote:Slicef18 wrote:nochain wrote:Slicef18 wrote:Here are some of those falsehoods.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/
Everything I see about this indicates the program is so complex no one really knows what the unintended consequences are going to be.
I think you are right. However, Social Security and Medicare had the same start.
One of my concerns, since SS and MC programs are rife with fraud, is where are the holes in the healthcare program? I tried to read (scan) the POS and ran out of time and interest after a few hundred pages.
I hear ya. Talk about a dry read. I do know the hospitals have combed through the reams of words and they don't like everything in it but believe it's is a good starting point. My physician friends feel much the same and see healthcare change as inevitable.
salinsky wrote:othershoe1030 wrote:It's one thing to genuinely misunderstand a complicated part of the Affordable Care Act and totally another to simply come out with outrageously untrue statements such as the one about the IRS hiring 19,500 new employees when the actual number was 1,300 new workers, etc.
As everyone can see from reading the article the list of misinformation goes on and on.
It is precisely this sort of propaganda that keeps us divided into two warring camps.
It is interesting and necessary and expected that different people will have different views and approaches to social and political problems. These differences need to be worked out and compromised on to reach solutions to move the country forward, solve our problems.
However, the situation in DC is now so broken that approaches once promoted by the GOP are suddenly now seen as horrible merely because they are accepted and promoted by Democrats. That sort of thing is just stupid.
No amazing wonder that the special interests are running the country to their own benefit when we are left fighting over lies told about the ACA.
When Romney says he is going to restore $700+ billion in spending for Medicare (all of which is negotiated cost savings with insurers and hospitals) and that he has no intention of deregulating Wall Street (when his stated intention is to repeal Dodd/Frank), the bullshit has reached such a laughable level that the press shouldn't even treat the man with any respect. These are just brazenly blatant lies, much like the insidious "both-sides do it equally" myth that has malignantly infected our body politic.
Porn Bot wrote:This plan will also kill off medicare eventually to where the whole thing is like medicaid, pays like medicaid.
and that would mean we need to lower the education requirment for those handing out the diagnosis and treatments. which is why this plan has a deal in it for nurses < another bribe>
They know the many docs are gonna walk, so they are padding up the rules for pA's, nurse practitioners and other anceillary staff to behave and get the same payment as a DOCTOR for thier services. Thats right, same payment, less education and training.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-03-22/nurse-practitioners-handmaidens-no-more
Again, we are lowering the standard of healthcare and taking away the incintive to help us create more DOCTORS. Good job, right?
Porn Bot wrote:I could tell you whats happening in my profession, its A LOT.
lots and lots of new regulations. and in some cases lack there of for those who would provide the factory like services the gov plans need. all staffed with minumum educated careless people. I know some of them lol
expect people to die from over worked non educated monkey workers whos only job is to ake sure the bean counters are happy.
can you say bye bye to patient care? start practicing. The new patient care will be how fast you got someone in and gave them a pain pill, and then how fast you can send them a servey while they are still on the pain pill to get 4's for HCAPS, so youll get your extra 2% from the gov.
ok, ive said enough for now. I promised and kept it. Now im gonna relax...
until then captain!
No doubt about it. Whenever I turn on fox news that's the only message I hear. That both the republicans and the democrats are equally evil. And that's the same message I hear on MSNBC too.salinsky wrote: much like the insidious "both-sides do it equally" myth that has malignantly infected our body politic.[/font]
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Bob wrote:No doubt about it. Whenever I turn on fox news that's the only message I hear. That both the republicans and the democrats are equally evil. And that's the same message I hear on MSNBC too.salinsky wrote: much like the insidious "both-sides do it equally" myth that has malignantly infected our body politic.[/font]
What we desperately need is one television news outlet to be biased in favor of one and another to be biased in favor of the other.
This "democrats and republicans" are equal shit is all we hear. lol
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