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The flood of falsehoods about the health care law

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Slicef18

Slicef18

Here are some of those falsehoods.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/

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I have a lot to say about this. I dont agree with politico all the time. They are also not the end all of know all.

I'll have to do it later though.

one comment I will leave for this is that they will take words "literally" and give a pants on fire for something, such as, using the word "ALL' instead of many or most. When some of those things are true if you used the word many, most instead of ALL.

know what I mean?

Guest


Guest

Slicef18 wrote:Here are some of those falsehoods.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/

Everything I see about this indicates the program is so complex no one really knows what the unintended consequences are going to be.

Slicef18

Slicef18

nochain wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:Here are some of those falsehoods.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/

Everything I see about this indicates the program is so complex no one really knows what the unintended consequences are going to be.


I think you are right. However, Social Security and Medicare had the same start.

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Slicef18 wrote:
nochain wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:Here are some of those falsehoods.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/

Everything I see about this indicates the program is so complex no one really knows what the unintended consequences are going to be.


I think you are right. However, Social Security and Medicare had the same start.

One of my concerns, since SS and MC programs are rife with fraud, is where are the holes in the healthcare program? I tried to read (scan) the POS and ran out of time and interest after a few hundred pages.

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Guest

nochain wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:Here are some of those falsehoods.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/

Everything I see about this indicates the program is so complex no one really knows what the unintended consequences are going to be.

Nancy Pelosi said....lets pass this [Name] COWH Healthcare and then we'll see what's inside....anymore need to be said?...

Slicef18

Slicef18

nochain wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:
nochain wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:Here are some of those falsehoods.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/

Everything I see about this indicates the program is so complex no one really knows what the unintended consequences are going to be.


I think you are right. However, Social Security and Medicare had the same start.

One of my concerns, since SS and MC programs are rife with fraud, is where are the holes in the healthcare program? I tried to read (scan) the POS and ran out of time and interest after a few hundred pages.


I hear ya. Talk about a dry read. I do know the hospitals have combed through the reams of words and they don't like everything in it but believe it's is a good starting point. My physician friends feel much the same and see healthcare change as inevitable.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

It's one thing to genuinely misunderstand a complicated part of the Affordable Care Act and totally another to simply come out with outrageously untrue statements such as the one about the IRS hiring 19,500 new employees when the actual number was 1,300 new workers, etc.

As everyone can see from reading the article the list of misinformation goes on and on.

It is precisely this sort of propaganda that keeps us divided into two warring camps.

It is interesting and necessary and expected that different people will have different views and approaches to social and political problems. These differences need to be worked out and compromised on to reach solutions to move the country forward, solve our problems.

However, the situation in DC is now so broken that approaches once promoted by the GOP are suddenly now seen as horrible merely because they are accepted and promoted by Democrats. That sort of thing is just stupid.

No amazing wonder that the special interests are running the country to their own benefit when we are left fighting over lies told about the ACA.

Sal

Sal

othershoe1030 wrote:It's one thing to genuinely misunderstand a complicated part of the Affordable Care Act and totally another to simply come out with outrageously untrue statements such as the one about the IRS hiring 19,500 new employees when the actual number was 1,300 new workers, etc.

As everyone can see from reading the article the list of misinformation goes on and on.

It is precisely this sort of propaganda that keeps us divided into two warring camps.

It is interesting and necessary and expected that different people will have different views and approaches to social and political problems. These differences need to be worked out and compromised on to reach solutions to move the country forward, solve our problems.

However, the situation in DC is now so broken that approaches once promoted by the GOP are suddenly now seen as horrible merely because they are accepted and promoted by Democrats. That sort of thing is just stupid.

No amazing wonder that the special interests are running the country to their own benefit when we are left fighting over lies told about the ACA.

When Romney says he is going to restore $700+ billion in spending for Medicare (all of which is negotiated cost savings with insurers and hospitals) and that he has no intention of deregulating Wall Street (when his stated intention is to repeal Dodd/Frank), the bullshit has reached such a laughable level that the press shouldn't even treat the man with any respect. These are just brazenly blatant lies, much like the insidious "both-sides do it equally" myth that has malignantly infected our body politic.

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Guest

Slicef18 wrote:
nochain wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:
nochain wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:Here are some of those falsehoods.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/21/health-care-fact-checking/

Everything I see about this indicates the program is so complex no one really knows what the unintended consequences are going to be.


I think you are right. However, Social Security and Medicare had the same start.

One of my concerns, since SS and MC programs are rife with fraud, is where are the holes in the healthcare program? I tried to read (scan) the POS and ran out of time and interest after a few hundred pages.


I hear ya. Talk about a dry read. I do know the hospitals have combed through the reams of words and they don't like everything in it but believe it's is a good starting point. My physician friends feel much the same and see healthcare change as inevitable.

ok, Im going to start here. With why do some physicians support it and some dont? because there are two types of minds, one will say get it all while you can and then figure it out later, another is we need a more long term plan to sustain us for a long time.

and the 2nd thng is.....BRIBERY.....They are being bribe. The short term thinkers say lets do it, we will make millions and then we can retire. The docs saying this are the ones who have heavy case loads of non pays or medicaid clients.

You ask bribery, what am I talking about.

well starting in 2013 thur 2014 the medicaid payment will be the same as medicare. Lots of docs are going to get rich for a very short period of time.

Let me show you:
•Increasing Access to Affordable Care: Increasing Medicaid Payments for Primary Care Physicians-Effective January 1, 2013-December 31, 2014

As Medicaid programs and providers prepare to cover more patients in 2013, the Affordable Care Act requires states to pay primary care physicians no less than 100 percent of Medicare payment rates in 2013 and 2014 for primary care services. The increase above current payment levels is fully funded by the federal government.
http://www.medicaid.gov/AffordableCareAct/Timeline/Timeline.html

So with this TEMPORARY pay increase, a lot of people are going to get rich for a year.
THEN, all of it goes back down to medicaid rates. Just about the time we start looking for a new president will be when the realization hits.

So this is my first response to this. Im kind of tired and had been pretty over this subject like a dead flat cat.

But I think there are some things that arnt out there in the media that you guys should know. this bribe is just the 1st of this.


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So, when the 2013 -2014 year comes with this mess, we are talking BILLIONS and BILLIONS of paid bribes.

Want to bet after 2014 MASSIVE doctors retire? It would be a good bet.

Most young doctors are already getting out of private practice, because they are young and are forced to think long term. They are going to work for hospitals. Thus, hospital cost will go up.

http://hschange.org/CONTENT/1230/

Now what in the hell am I talking about here?

This relates to lower emplyment rates as healthcare becomes consolodated into centralized hospital care. Now anyone working out here in this enviroment knows, this means more work, same pay and probaly no raises either for the staff.

Because the doctors get referrals and need thier high pay. the staff, well lets let monkeys do it for 1.99


and trust me, they will order every test they legally can, and the monkeys at the bottom will serve it up with broken backs.

Guest


Guest

This plan will also kill off medicare eventually to where the whole thing is like medicaid, pays like medicaid.

and that would mean we need to lower the education requirment for those handing out the diagnosis and treatments. which is why this plan has a deal in it for nurses < another bribe>

They know the many docs are gonna walk, so they are padding up the rules for pA's, nurse practitioners and other anceillary staff to behave and get the same payment as a DOCTOR for thier services. Thats right, same payment, less education and training.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-03-22/nurse-practitioners-handmaidens-no-more

Again, we are lowering the standard of healthcare and taking away the incintive to help us create more DOCTORS. Good job, right?

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Guest

I could tell you whats happening in my profession, its A LOT.

lots and lots of new regulations. and in some cases lack there of for those who would provide the factory like services the gov plans need. all staffed with minumum educated careless people. I know some of them lol

expect people to die from over worked non educated monkey workers whos only job is to ake sure the bean counters are happy.

can you say bye bye to patient care? start practicing. The new patient care will be how fast you got someone in and gave them a pain pill, and then how fast you can send them a servey while they are still on the pain pill to get 4's for HCAPS, so youll get your extra 2% from the gov.

ok, ive said enough for now. I promised and kept it. Now im gonna relax...

until then captain!

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

salinsky wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:It's one thing to genuinely misunderstand a complicated part of the Affordable Care Act and totally another to simply come out with outrageously untrue statements such as the one about the IRS hiring 19,500 new employees when the actual number was 1,300 new workers, etc.

As everyone can see from reading the article the list of misinformation goes on and on.

It is precisely this sort of propaganda that keeps us divided into two warring camps.

It is interesting and necessary and expected that different people will have different views and approaches to social and political problems. These differences need to be worked out and compromised on to reach solutions to move the country forward, solve our problems.

However, the situation in DC is now so broken that approaches once promoted by the GOP are suddenly now seen as horrible merely because they are accepted and promoted by Democrats. That sort of thing is just stupid.

No amazing wonder that the special interests are running the country to their own benefit when we are left fighting over lies told about the ACA.

When Romney says he is going to restore $700+ billion in spending for Medicare (all of which is negotiated cost savings with insurers and hospitals) and that he has no intention of deregulating Wall Street (when his stated intention is to repeal Dodd/Frank), the bullshit has reached such a laughable level that the press shouldn't even treat the man with any respect. These are just brazenly blatant lies, much like the insidious "both-sides do it equally" myth that has malignantly infected our body politic.

I just started watching Democracy Now again, (#375 on DirectTV) the network is called Link. They're into Howard Zinn and Naom Chomsky, documentaries about setting tap water on fire thanks to contamination due to fracking, that sort of thing, really uplifting stuff!!

Anyway the main news media is like eating nothing but junk food. I watch too much sometimes. It is what I'm into rather than the soap operas, never could stand that. We need a good investigative media that a majority of people would find credible.

Otherwise the campaigns go off the rails with such lies it's enough to make your hair curl. I wish we were like Canada. They don't allow untruthful statements in campaigns. How refreshing would that be?

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Guest

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services wants hospitals to curb its patient readmissions starting this fall, or pay the price, Kaiser Health News reported.

According to KHN, CMS will begin recouping about $280 million in payments from about 2,200 hospitals beginning in October.

The penalties are part of the Affordable Care Act, signed into law in 2010, and focuses on Medicare and Medicaid patients who are readmitted within 30 days of a prior hospital admission. However, studies have suggested that despite the looming penalties, the nationwide readmission rates have barely budged, according to KHN
( theve barly budged because you cant change chronic users, and they were always trying to not have them come back, who wanted the DRG payment to be eaten away/?)

Read more: CMS to start readmission penalties - FierceHealthcare http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/story/cms-start-readmission-penalties/2012-08-13#ixzz23lP4OKCJ
Subscribe: http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/signup?sourceform=Viral-Tynt-FierceHealthcare-FierceHealthcare

So they started this little punishment, one of many btw... and we will see more of this...

Saint Catherine Regional Hospital in Indiana last week filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, Health Leaders Media reported. Saint Catherine Regional is a sister hospital to Saint Catherine Medical Center in Pennsylvania, which also filed for bankruptcy (Chapter 7) in April. Saint Catherine Regional Hospital owes in excess of $8 million in unsecured claims and has reported a net loss of $1.3 million over the past year.

Read more: Two hospitals sued after filing bankruptcy - FierceHealthcare http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/story/two-hospitals-sued-after-filing-bankruptcy/2012-06-26#ixzz23lPhNS84
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good night ....

PBulldog2

PBulldog2

Porn Bot wrote:This plan will also kill off medicare eventually to where the whole thing is like medicaid, pays like medicaid.

and that would mean we need to lower the education requirment for those handing out the diagnosis and treatments. which is why this plan has a deal in it for nurses < another bribe>

They know the many docs are gonna walk, so they are padding up the rules for pA's, nurse practitioners and other anceillary staff to behave and get the same payment as a DOCTOR for thier services. Thats right, same payment, less education and training.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-03-22/nurse-practitioners-handmaidens-no-more

Again, we are lowering the standard of healthcare and taking away the incintive to help us create more DOCTORS. Good job, right?

Oh Lord, Chrissy. Where to begin?

It sounds to me like you're getting the AMA party line about nurse practitioners. The odd thing is, the AMA doesn't seem to have the same narrow view of PA's.

We're talking about two different disciplines here when we talk about nursing. Nursing, medicine. Two distinctly different disciplines. I find it so sad that a few physicians seem to be so threatened by nurse practitioners. And as far as NP's having less education - it takes six years, at the very least, to become an NP. In the future, it will take eight, because the baseline education for an NP is going to be a DScN, or doctorate in nursing.

Please let me in on the bribes nurses are getting. Somehow, I'm missing the boat on that one. Smile I need to put my hands out, eh?

PBulldog2

PBulldog2

Porn Bot wrote:I could tell you whats happening in my profession, its A LOT.

lots and lots of new regulations. and in some cases lack there of for those who would provide the factory like services the gov plans need. all staffed with minumum educated careless people. I know some of them lol

expect people to die from over worked non educated monkey workers whos only job is to ake sure the bean counters are happy.

can you say bye bye to patient care? start practicing. The new patient care will be how fast you got someone in and gave them a pain pill, and then how fast you can send them a servey while they are still on the pain pill to get 4's for HCAPS, so youll get your extra 2% from the gov.

ok, ive said enough for now. I promised and kept it. Now im gonna relax...

until then captain!

Aha.....some healthcare tidbits upon which we can agree! The jobs for beancounters have increased and will continue to increase while other health care positions are cut to save money. I'll post an article that discusses this in just a moment.

Don't even talk about surveys. I am so ticked off about surveys, and "patient satisfaction", that I could and may well croak because of it.

Let's talk about the role of a good nurse versus a recalcitrant post-op patient.

The post-op patient, two days after surgery, still refuses to get up and ambulate because it hurts to do so. A good nurse will insist, for the good of the patient, that the patient get the heck up out of bed and walk. A bad nurse, or one concerned about the short-term survey, will let said patient lie in bed till he gets bedsores just so he'll be happy with his "care."

So in the short-term, the patient is happy with his bubbly little bobble-headed nurse who says "That's OK, sweetie-pie....let me bring you another Lortab. You just rest now, baby." (sound of pillow-fluffing here)

In the long term, the patient develops some serious adhesions, pulmonary emboli, a non-healing bedsore on his backside and pneumonia. He has to come back in for more surgery and treatment for his pneumonia and decubitus, but by golly, he had already given the hospital and staff a "5" for his prior treatment, so who cares? Oh....and the nurse who tried to get the patient out of bed during his first go-round has already been fired for not satisfying her patient, so he's all set to get Miss Bobblehead-have-some-Lortab this time, too. But that's OK. He'll be happy to see her.

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pb, im gonna have to catch up with you on this topic when i change cloths

Wink

night night

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

salinsky wrote: much like the insidious "both-sides do it equally" myth that has malignantly infected our body politic.[/font]
No doubt about it. Whenever I turn on fox news that's the only message I hear. That both the republicans and the democrats are equally evil. And that's the same message I hear on MSNBC too.
What we desperately need is one television news outlet to be biased in favor of one and another to be biased in favor of the other.
Same with talk radio. It too preaches that democrats and republicans are both evil.
This "democrats and republicans are equal" shit is all we hear. lol



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Bob wrote:
salinsky wrote: much like the insidious "both-sides do it equally" myth that has malignantly infected our body politic.[/font]
No doubt about it. Whenever I turn on fox news that's the only message I hear. That both the republicans and the democrats are equally evil. And that's the same message I hear on MSNBC too.
What we desperately need is one television news outlet to be biased in favor of one and another to be biased in favor of the other.
This "democrats and republicans" are equal shit is all we hear. lol

lol! lol! lol!

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Porn Bot wrote:

lol! lol! lol!

Come to think of it, that's the exact same problem with Alabama and Auburn football.
The fans on both sides of the stadium don't have favorites. They all think each team is equal.

lol! lol! lol!



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