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Grady Hospital in ATLANTA, Obamacare will cause them a 45 MILLION DOLLAR deficit

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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/new-health-care-law-leaves-grady-45-million-short/nbCp8/

Such terrible news for a hospital that serves the poor in the Atlanta area. This Obamacare thing...such a good deal.Rolling Eyes 

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More false reporting. The Gov. caused the shortfall by not expanding medicaid. Not Obamacare.

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No, it's true. Why would a governor toss his state into something it could not afford?

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Someone has to pay for expanding Medicaid. Gov deal knew that would fall in the taxpayers. So, obamacare is nothing but an unfounded mandate by the Feds.

Dreamsglore wrote:More false reporting. The Gov. caused the shortfall by not expanding medicaid. Not Obamacare.
PLEASE, share with us where the $43 MILLION was supposed to come from this time?  More from the STASH of President Barack Hussein Obama?

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Dreamsglore wrote:More false reporting. The Gov. caused the shortfall by not expanding medicaid. Not Obamacare.
you don't understand the cuts, just like the other commies here don't.

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Dreamsglore wrote:More false reporting. The Gov. caused the shortfall by not expanding medicaid. Not Obamacare.
you don't understand the cuts, just like the other commies here don't.

I do, because I was the assistant to the administrator of a charity hospital in Houston the 1970's, and I was involved in preparing the budgets she presented to the county commission...the proper term here is "begging", because that's exactly what she did.

"... the U.S. Supreme Court left Medicaid expansion up to the states and Gov. Nathan Deal decided Georgia could not afford it..."

PRIORITIES.

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Wonder if Obama had not cut Medicare funds to pour into obamacare, if they would still be 45 mil
Short?

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See when people like zvug and sal say thst the GOP will lose and lose big in 2014. I laugh because the end is 2913 and all of 2014 is gonna be fresh in people's minds in how obamacare and the Dems screwed the people.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Wonder if Obama had not cut Medicare funds to pour into obamacare, if they would still be 45 mil
Short?
The "facts" you are using to base your opinion on are false.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/15/stephanie-cutter/ryans-plan-includes-700-billion-medicare-cuts-says/

Mitt Romney’s pick of U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan as his running mate has rekindled a heated debate over Medicare.

Ryan, R-Wis., is the head of the Budget Committee in the U.S. House of Representatives and the architect of a plan to dramatically restructure Medicare.

Today, Medicare operates as a government-run health insurance plan for Americans over age 65.

Ryan’s idea is to eventually move Medicare toward private insurance companies by giving people a set amount to buy their own health insurance plans. The new system would be for people who are under age 55 now, and it would give them voucher-like credits to buy traditional fee-for-service Medicare or competing private insurance plans. (The credits are sometimes called "premium support.")

Though House Republicans voted overwhelmingly for Ryan’s plan, polling shows public opinion is mixed, with older voters the most wary of the plan.

The Republican response to attacks on the Ryan plan has been to attack back, saying President Barack Obama has cut "$700 billion" out of Medicare. And the Democratic response to that: Well, Paul Ryan cuts that amount, too!

For this check, we’re looking specifically at what Obama campaign spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said on Face the Nation when debating Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom.

"You know, I heard Mitt Romney deride the $700 billion cuts in Medicare that the president achieved through health care reform," Cutter said. "You know what those cuts are? It’s taking subsidies away from insurance companies, taking rebates away from prescription drug company. Is that what Mitt Romney wants to protect? And interestingly enough Paul Ryan protected those cuts in his budget."

It’s a lot to digest if you’re not already a Medicare policy wonk, so let us sort it out for you. For now, we are going to put aside the question of whether it is accurate to call them "cuts" -- a claim we're checking in another item -- and focus on the question of whether Cutter is correct that Ryan relies on those same reductions in his budget.

$700 billion in Medicare cuts?

Because we’re wonks ourselves at PolitiFact, our ears pricked up at the claim in recent days that Obama cut $700 billion out of Medicare. Just a few weeks ago, the oft-cited number was $500 billion. How did he manage to cut another $200 billion when no one was looking?

Well, there are cuts and then there are CUTS. Neither Obama nor his health care law literally "cut" a dollar from the Medicare program’s budget.

Rather, the health care law instituted a number of changes to reduce the growth of Medicare costs. At the time the law was passed, those reductions amounted to $500 billion over the next 10 years.

What kind of spending reductions are we talking about? They were mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries. The law makes significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But in recent years the plans have actually cost more than traditional Medicare. So the health care law scales back the payments to private insurers.

In effect, the private sector was piggybacking on Medicare. Agents made huge commissions for enrolling people in the plans. And the major benefits reaped from these plans went to insurance companies and their employees.

Hospitals, too, will be paid less if they have too many re-admissions, or if they fail to meet other new benchmarks for patient care.

Still, the overall Medicare budget is projected to go up for the foreseeable future. The health care law tries to limit that growth, making it less than it would have been without the law, but not reducing its overall budget. So claims that Obama would "cut" Medicare need more explanation to be fully accurate. In the past, we’ve rated similar statements Half True or Mostly False, depending on the wording and context.

Because Medicare spending gets bigger every year, the cost-saving mechanisms in the health care law also get bigger. Also, it takes a few years for the health care law’s savings mechanisms to kick in. In fact, the effects of time are the main reason the $500 billion number has turned into $700 billion.

The CBO determined in 2011 that the federal health care law would reduce Medicare outlays by $507 billion between 2012 and 2021. In a more recent estimate released this year, the CBO looked at the years 2013 to 2022 and determined the health care law affected Medicare outlays by $716 billion.

So it’s timing that’s making the "cuts" bigger, not changes to Medicare...

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Cuts are now to be called savings... thank you for your cooperation comrade.

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Obama=America destroyer

I know this... He will not be the potus signing my retirement certificate.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Obama=America destroyer

I know this... He will not be the potus signing my retirement certificate.
Haters gonna hate........

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PkrBum wrote:Cuts are now to be called savings... thank you for your cooperation comrade.
No problem, Herr Kamerad.

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http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/29/6/1131.full

Abstract

The true measure of health care reform’s success is whether it drives down medical costs over the long term. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act has several features designed to modernize the delivery of services and thus ensure a more efficient, more effective, and less expensive health care system. These features include bundling medical services into larger payment groups, using value-based purchasing, and improving care coordination. These changes could spark a productivity revolution in health care that would make it much more affordable and simultaneously increase the quality of care. The success of these efforts at controlling long-run cost growth will require activism from the government and the private sector....


Exhibit 1
Forecast Savings From Health Care Modernization, 2010–2035

SOURCE Author’s calculations. NOTES This simulation assumes that acute care spending decreases by 1.5 percentage points below the current trend starting in 2013. In 2011 and 2012, cost savings are 0.5 percentage points below the trend in Medicare and private insurance, reflecting the time required to implement system changes. Savings include Medicare and Medicaid spending reductions and increased tax revenue from higher wages that will result from lower costs for employer-provided health insurance.


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Dreamsglore wrote:More false reporting. The Gov. caused the shortfall by not expanding medicaid. Not Obamacare.
Do you know what is meant by an unfunded mandate? The Federal government is starting out with a fairly high reimbursement. Considering we nearly $18 TRILLION IN DEBT. How long will those reimbursements remain at todays level?

If you say forever...you have described the typical greedy far left Progressive.

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Yes... once the synergistic integration of adaptive tangents including concerted variables under coordinated exponents are enumerated by extrapolated hypothesis...

everyone will benefit.

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http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/29/6/1131.full

Abstract

The true measure of health care reform’s success is whether it drives down medical costs over the long term. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act has several features designed to modernize the delivery of services and thus ensure a more efficient, more effective, and less expensive health care system. These features include bundling medical services into larger payment groups, using value-based purchasing, and improving care coordination. These changes could spark a productivity revolution in health care that would make it much more affordable and simultaneously increase the quality of care. The success of these efforts at controlling long-run cost growth will require activism from the government and the private sector....


Exhibit 1
Forecast Savings From Health Care Modernization, 2010–2035

SOURCE Author’s calculations. NOTES This simulation assumes that acute care spending decreases by 1.5 percentage points below the current trend starting in 2013. In 2011 and 2012, cost savings are 0.5 percentage points below the trend in Medicare and private insurance, reflecting the time required to implement system changes. Savings include Medicare and Medicaid spending reductions and increased tax revenue from higher wages that will result from lower costs for employer-provided health insurance.
You're quite a joke. Now you're posting estimates of the cost of ObamaCare from 2010 Were you a born con artist or did you have to work hard to learn the trade?

Health Affairs, 29, no.6 (2010) :1131-1135
Cite this article as: analysis & commentary How Health Care Reform Must Bend The Cost Curve
David Cutler

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From the New York Times

The Obama administration said Monday that it was cutting payments to doctors and hospitals after finding that cost overruns are threatening to use up the money available in a health insurance program for people with cancer, heart disease and other serious illnesses.

The administration had predicted that up to 400,000 people would enroll in the program, created by the 2010 health care law. In fact, about 135,000 have enrolled, but the cost of their claims has far exceeded White House estimates, exhausting most of the $5 billion provided by Congress.

Under a new policy issued by Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of health and human services, “health care facilities and providers will get paid less” for providing the same services to patients in the federal program, known as the Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan.

In most cases, payments to health care providers will be capped at Medicare rates, which are substantially less than the commercial insurance rates they have been receiving. The new policy generally prohibits doctors and hospitals from increasing charges to consumers to make up the difference.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/us/politics/overruns-forcing-lower-payments-to-some-providers-in-stopgap-health-program.html?_r=0

Here is something a bit more up to date. I realize how offensive this will be for your senses.


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21 half the truth, as usual on 10/2/2013, 7:29 pm

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/new-health-care-law-leaves-grady-45-million-short/nbCp8/

Such terrible news for a hospital that serves the poor in the Atlanta area. This Obamacare thing...such a good deal.Rolling Eyes 
When one actually reads the article, one can figure out what the problem is.
The problem is the state of Georgia. The fine, upstanding Republicans who are in charge decided not to expand the medicaid rolls. So instead of serving poor patients with at least some insurance coverage, Grady Hospital has to foot the entire bill which is the current status quo. This leaves a deficit because these people should be covered. So Grady Hospital can thank the fine, upstanding Republicans in GA legislature for this cost deficit.

Thanks again for another objective post, p-dog. You are learning from your idols at Faux News about the values of posting half-truths, omissions, and partial quotes.

Remember: p-dog and his comrades argue incessantly not to get all Americans to a doctor on a regular basis in order to live healthier lives and therefore reducing future healthcare costs.  And p-dog argues to keep giving away free healthcare.

Recap: food stamps-0.52% of economy--
OH, NO!! DO NOT GIVE FOOD TO POOR PEOPLE!!!  ALL WRONG!!!
         healthcare-17.9% of economy--
OH, YEA!! GIVE IT AWAY. GO AHEAD!!!

Thanks for your time.

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It's an unfunded mandate Carl. The state of Georgia, like Florida and many others, aren't going to absorb the tax just because....

That's THE problem!!! Another tax in this economy will just hurt people trying to make ends meet and toss us into another recession.

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